Cycnodes chlorochilon in bloom

[Bud]

Thank You, Philip ! Do not worry...I have accepted the fact that I have a "NOID"...
as of now it is a NOID ...not a Cycnodes or a Cycnoches...just a plant that is not registered and no parents...

[Bud]

This is the Latest on this plant:

I contacted the seller and in turn contacted the breeder who contacted me via email:

The breeder asked me to look closely at the tag she imbedded inside the pot ...and I did!
and we concluded and both blame the seller for the mistake he made in writing the wrong name of the plant

The seller put on my receipt: Cycnodes chlorochilon

parents yellow and green

that confused everyone...and I wouldnt have a clue because its the first plant of this kind that I have ever owned

The breeder has informed me that my plant is a :

Cycnoches chlorochilon 'Green' x 'Yellow'

not a Cycnodes.

This is a lesson for me not to look at receipts or labels from the seller...but to look for the small tag imbedded by the breeder inside the pot...

[Leisurely]

Pheeeeew!! I am glad that this is all finally settled. My head was starting to spin a little from all of the confusion about the identity of your plant Bud. I am very pleased that your were able to resolve the mystery. Congratulations, and enjoy your very fine looking plant.

[Bud]

Thank You, Jerry! I was about to send a DNA sample to a lab so as to get its identity...but I am lucky to have the breeder herself get back to me on this.

[peeper]

This has been a rather interesting read, and the back and forth got to be a bit touchy to me.
I understand the importance of having the correct naming of an orchid and to not misrepresent, an orchid, for heavens sake, I sure don't want to learn wrong!

But I would like to know, if some one wants to call a plant something, and keep it in a private collection, not to show, why can't they call it anything they want? Stating that a plant it a NOID, and knowing that you are looking for the correct info, calling it by the tag name in your own collection doesn't seem like a bad idea to me, until you find the correct name... and lets not forget the capitalization as well. That could be just a titanic upset in your personal collection.



... noticing a lot of differences in this board lately... seems like we used to happily give and get advice and now there are a few of us that argue and belittle the other members. Not a fun ride sometimes... Jus' sayin'

[gnathaniel]

Krys, the reason it's not a great idea to call plants something other than their proper names (or NOID if they're unidentifiable) on a forum is the same reason it's not a great idea to call something 'blue' when everyone else agrees it's yellow. It benefits us all to use and generally conform to a common language, and a major part of the utility of any language is standardization of reference. That said, call your plants whatever you want as long as you make it clear that your frame of reference isn't the common one for orchid naming.

Personally I feel like folks on this forum are uniformly very polite when correcting others. I think perhaps any perceived 'belittlement' may arise from the fact that this is a written medium without voice inflection and facial expression to temper and modify meanings. I also think we should strenuously avoid assumptions of ill intent on the part of those with differing opinions. This would be an extremely boring and probably useless forum if we all agreed all the time, wouldn't you agree?

Speaking of differing opinions: Bud, I still think you have a NOID intergeneric Cycnodes and not Cycnoches chlorochilon. As Ramon, Philip, and Chryss pointed out, your flower has un-Cycnoches characteristics that would seem to rule that out as a correct ID, vendor's tag or no. Still a nice plant, whatever it is.

--Nat

[kavanaru]

if you call it XXX in your private collection, that's fine, but at the moment when you publish it and make the XXX name public, it can be very misleading. let me put an example, we are in OB where we get a lot of newbies hungry for information... one of the newbies is interested in Catasetinae, but is a real amateur with them.. this newbie start here looking for information, and finds that the plant he bought without label at WalMart, is called XXX... this newbie also realized that his/ her plant is of high quality and decides to present it at the Orchid Society (s)he recently joined... beside the fact (s)he can be blamed at the OS, (s)he will say that it was identified as such at OB... everybody at the orchid society will think this is a rubbish board, giving wrong information to the people... an so on...
get the point now? but as mentioned earlier, you can call it miss piggy if you want, ,as long as you do not make it public assuring it is indeed Miss Piggy...

[isurus79]

Originally Posted by Bud

This is the Latest on this plant:

I contacted the seller and in turn contacted the breeder who contacted me via email:

The breeder asked me to look closely at the tag she imbedded inside the pot ...and I did!
and we concluded and both blame the seller for the mistake he made in writing the wrong name of the plant

The seller put on my receipt: Cycnodes chlorochilon

parents yellow and green

that confused everyone...and I wouldnt have a clue because its the first plant of this kind that I have ever owned

The breeder has informed me that my plant is a :

Cycnoches chlorochilon 'Green' x 'Yellow'

not a Cycnodes.

This is a lesson for me not to look at receipts or labels from the seller...but to look for the small tag imbedded by the breeder inside the pot...

FYI- The breeder is wrong. I hate to say it, but Cychnodes has a VERY distinct shape and your very nice plant has that shape. Cychnoches chlorochilon looks nothing like your plant. If you really want to know, I would try the DNA testing like you mentioned.

[Bud]

Nobody is belittleling anyone here... I am not ganged upon...because I will really know if they are merely making mischief...
its just a matter of scientific knowledge...its also a good timing because I stopped throwing away tags...and started keeping them and really searching for the authenticity of the tag...I dont know how to name a plant even if I do a hybrid in the future...and I dont intend to name plants...I will beleive the grower if he or she says thats the name of the plant because he or she grows it ...

the grower and hybrider that this plant came from is not a smalltime guy...he is worth his years of experience and I even got a couple of similar specimens from him this time hybrids...
my plant is a specie
and I am positive about that
I would beleive him than you...because I actually saw him face to face and saw him growing his orchids...

the people commenting on my plant are not charlatans with malicious intents...they invested on their own plants and will not want their plants become NOIDS, because my plant is definitely affecting them...

I am very sure they have grown this plant for years and did hybrids on these...after all ...merely looking at pictures of the flowers just doesnt cut it.

if anyone says something: they must have proof or else the other members reading your comments will think you are up to no good and up to malicious mischief...you will definitely look bad in any other way because you must have at least a PHD on orchid species or you have a title or at least a staff in the Royal Horticultural Society...A judge of AOS is not even qualified to distinguish an orchid specie...only a botanical lab expert on DNA can...

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@ Nat...you, Steve, Ramon, Philip, and Chryss are not experts on this plant. You dont even grow or own this kind of plant ...you are assuming. you only think...you are not sure: so your comments are NOT FACTS. they are merely your opinions...and I respect your opinions in your own personal ways...

[isurus79]

Originally Posted by Bud

@ Nat...you, Steve, Ramon, Philip, and Chryss are not experts on this plant. You dont even grow or own this kind of plant ...you are assuming. you only think...you are not sure: so your comments are NOT FACTS. they are merely your opinions...and I respect your opinions in your own personal ways...

Not to push this too much, but I am sure this has Mormodes in its background and that is a fact. However, as long as you enjoy these flowers, that's all that matters! They are very pretty indeed!