Cycnodes chlorochilon in bloom

[goodgollymissmolly]

"I am still calling this plant: Cycnodes chlorochilon"

I tried to ignore this thread when King gently told you you were incorrect. Gnat told you the facts...just the facts.

There is not and cannot be a plant named as in your quote above. Even if there were, the "c" would have to be capitalized, but there can't be because RHS would never allow a hybrid name the same as a species. In the ancient past (1850?) you could latinize a hybrid name, but not use an existing species name. The species had to exist....because it is a parent of your hybrid.

In no way do I dispute your right to be wrong. You're unfortunately entitled, but it seems so trivial and hard headed to have people give you information...correct information..and then defy it. I'm not arguing or belittling you. I just don't understand the current state of the world where people are proud to be incorrect.

[Bud]

Thank You for the info, ingse...

@molly...I am not proud to be incorrect. in fact I acknowledged that my plant is now a "NOID"...but not until I get the correct parents and the correct names can I call it anything...in fact no one knows how to call it because it just labeled the parents as "yellow+green"
but as I said I got it with that tag...then I shall abide with the tag until I get the correct parent information from the seller.
at this point in time: the plant is a "NOID" until the correct infos are given...ok?
*but technically if it has a tag: no matter if it is wrong...I will abide with the tag; until somebody afirms its true identity
*a "NOID" technically has no tag thats why it is a noid...now King and Nat are correct. I am not disputing that...I am not wrong either...

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oh...and molly...since youre the obedient, follow the rules to the letter and the most sensible one: if this was your plant: what will you name it? in fact what will you do?
you have a plant tagged: Cycnodes chlorochilon with parents yellow+green...then someone out there says thats an odd name for a hybrid and then another person says name it something else because the current name is wrong...
ok...I dare you what do you do?

[kavanaru]

ok, I see now that you have been already informed about the mislabelling of your plant.. 100% Cycnodes NOID that's how I would relabel it, if I do not know with certainty what the parents are... furthermore (and call me snob if you want) I would give the plant away as well
You have a fantastic plant, and since you do not seem to care much about the name, the best you can do is keep it and enjoy as you really have a great one!
as a side note, it is not uncommon to have Catasetinae with wrong labels.. most people (including most nurseries) have no clue about this group! On top of that , the taxonomy of this group is not the easiest and has also been full of misunderstandings in the past (e.g. there 4 species of Cycnoches which were and still are regularly calle d chlorochilon or ventricosum) Many of teh Cycnodes that include Cycnoches chlorochilon coming from Asia, are "know" now to have been done in the past with Cyc. warscewiczii (considered as a better shaped chlorochilon!), and so on...

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Originally Posted by Bud

*a "NOID" technically has no tag thats why it is a noid...

not 100%.. a NOD has NO IDentification, but it can have whatever tag you or the seller have put in the pot! Ifthe rational would be No TAG, the it would be a NOTAG instead of a NOID

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Furthermore, if you are really interested in this group, I would suggest the following thread: http://www.orchidboard.com/community...eries-aos.html

[Bud]

Thank You, Ramón !
I dont know if it is a Cycnodes or Cycnoches...but it is definitely a Catasetum NOID
NOOOO I will never give it away...I waited for it to bloom...and now I know how to care for it ; its culture and regimen...the name is not important to me. I used to throw away tags because they are not aesthetically beautiful for presentations in my centerpieces and table setting...it was when I became a member of OB that I realized that my orchids has to retain the tags for future references... I have emailed the seller and they will look for the grower/breeder and find out its name...yellow+ green is definitely not a professional grower or breeder 's tagging this plant: and their reputation is at stake as breeders and growers and sellers...we need to drill it in their minds that tags have to be scientifically accurate(spelling and capitalizations).
Take note : the seller assured me my plant is a species...and yet if it is a combination of a green and a yellow then it must be a hybrid...one never crosses a species except with itself or else it becomes a hybrid

[kavanaru]

Hehehe... Regarding giving the plant away is what I would do, but that's because I am very VERY picky with my Catasetinae... However I keep other NOIDs from other groups ( not that many though). As I said, your plant is gorgeous... Keep it and enjoy it!

Regarding your plant, it is 100% sure a Cycnodes... Neither Cycnoches nor Catasetum...

[Merlyn]

I'm now in the same boat !! I have the original label that reads; Cyc. Chlorochilon "Green" X Cyc. Chlorochilon "Yellow". It SHOULD therefore still be a species and IN ACTUALITY it looks NOTHING like Cyc. chlorochilon !!! You'll LOVE THIS Bud, it skipped last year (I got it in '09) and this year put out this scrawny sickly looking SINGLE bloom before going dormant now !!! I will write a new tag = Cycnodes NOID and it's going to leave me space for some of my just today 5 newbies !!!

P.s. Out of the 5, 3 were mislabeled !!! Seems the vendor dumped Mormodia, Clowesia, and Clowesetum all under the same Genus name of Ctsm !!!!! I'm still a loyal customer because of the quality and selection of his plants !!

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[Epicatt2]

Originally Posted by Bud

Thank You RJSquirrel !
...for the meantime: I will abide with what I have in the tag.
I am still calling this plant: Cycnodes chlorochilon

Please forgive me for 'nosing in' here but...

Is there any cross number or stock number on the label? If so be sure to include it when you contact the vendor. And be sure to send the photo along, too.

From what has been written so far in this thread is seems most likely that your plant is a Cycnodes with one parent missing off the label and the other parent being Cycnoches chlorochilon.

Fingers X-ed that your vendor comes thru with the correct hybrid name for you.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Originally Posted by Bud

Thank You, Ramón !
I dont know if it is a Cycnodes or Cycnoches...but it is definitely a Catasetum NOID
NOOOO I will never give it away...I waited for it to bloom...and now I know how to care for it ; its culture and regimen...the name is not important to me. I used to throw away tags because they are not aesthetically beautiful for presentations in my centerpieces and table setting...it was when I became a member of OB that I realized that my orchids has to retain the tags for future references... I have emailed the seller and they will look for the grower/breeder and find out its name...yellow+ green is definitely not a professional grower or breeder 's tagging this plant: and their reputation is at stake as breeders and growers and sellers...we need to drill it in their minds that tags have to be scientifically accurate(spelling and capitalizations).
Take note : the seller assured me my plant is a species...and yet if it is a combination of a green and a yellow then it must be a hybrid...one never crosses a species except with itself or else it becomes a hybrid

Originally Posted by kavanaru

Hehehe... Regarding giving the plant away is what I would do, but that's because I am very VERY picky with my Catasetinae... However I keep other NOIDs from other groups ( not that many though). As I said, your plant is gorgeous... Keep it and enjoy it!

Regarding your plant, it is 100% sure a Cycnodes... Neither Cycnoches nor Catasetum...

Confirmed, it is not a species. It is an intergeneric hybrid. It is a Cycnodes NOID.

I wouldn't give it way either.

[Bud]

Thank You, Chryss...we almost have the same flower except the lip...

Thank you Paul M...I wish the seller would contact the breeder and give me the correct parents instead of (Yellow+Green) thats just a weird kind of naming orchids

Thanks Phillip...but I cant say if it is a Cycnodes or a Cychnoches(I need to really know from the breeder)...and I am definitely sure it is not a species because its parents is Yellow+Green so its a hybrid...and since I dont have a parent(I refuse to accept that an orchid is called : Cycnodes yellow and the other parent is Cycnodes Green=really very absurd) so it is a "NOID"

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Your plant's flowers have morphological characteristics of both Cycnoches and Mormordes. Trust me, I can tell. Which therefore makes your plant a Cycnodes.

Here's a link to a pic of Cycnoches chlorochilon (which is definitely in the cross):

http://www.plantcare.com/oldSite/htt...IMG0091090.jpg

Here's a link to a pic of Mormodes badia (I'm not necessarily saying that this species is a part of the cross, but it's very possible):

IOSPE PHOTOS

The "Green" is probably referring to Cycnoches chlorochilon. The "Yellow" is probably referring to any number of Mormodes species.

FYI, Mormodes are highly variable in color and patterning, it's extremely difficult to tell Mormodes species apart using colors and patterns.

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The natural genus Cycnoches have a characteristic column that is usually long and thin, and gracefully arched. Therefore the common moniker of "Swan Orchids".

The natural genus Mormodes have a characteristic labellum that is folded laterally and curved upwards. They also have an unusual column that is twisted to one side. Because the flowers can look a bit contorted, they are called "Goblin Orchids".