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I think this definition is valid. Highligted the important part. Partially peloric flowers are as much a deformation as complete peloric flowers. Conclusion these flowers are peloric. |
Roy, Brett, RobS,
Thank you for collaborations! In the Brazilian system of orchids judging (CAOB), I would have to present it as "Stanhopea tri-lip”, since the term "peloric" is limited only to cases described by Roy (ie, C intermedia aquinii). But it's just a “game of semantics”, because etymologically it is possible rather call it "peloric" Gwallogwyn: if Doug Pulley got a selfing, I'll keep trying! But just in case I will preserve the pollinia to cross with a regular Stan tigrina too! Happy New Year! |
Well the question is if we want to describe plants according to judging systems which vary for each orchid society. Or do we want to describe the plants as much as possible based on a neutral scientific point of view. I'd vote for the latter and disregard judging systems as they are to variable and arbitrary.
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Hi friends!
When I rebasketed this plant (only two years ago) I have broken (unwittingly) two pieces from the main part (posted above), one with two pbulbs and one single pbulb, isolated. I basketed the two pieces and now both are mature plants; this is the former "one single pbulb" piece (the former "two pbulbs piece" is in spike) |
I don't have a problem with what is peloric and what is a deformity, its a matter of what term is being used in the marketing of a plant & IF the plant can be proven to flower with peloric features consistantly then it would be accepted. If it only flowers occasionally like it then its deformed. I take acception to the judging remark, consistancy can be a problem with some judges, but the over riding issue is the plants consistancy to produce these flowers. It has been known for one of theses "peloric" orchids to be marketed widely with the outcome thats its a deformity in its own right or its a true peloric but when cloned, the peloric turns to deformity.
Example, Cym. Rothsay 'Black Label' flowered it had the lip, almost entirely copied in the petals with no other alterations. It was m/cloned and the results gave some with no alterations, some exact, some exact BUT the column had completlt fused and had NO pollen cap... This is deformed. Regardles of what is thought of judges, we have to be aware of these situations and make it clear that NOT all plants conform. I for one would not accept inconsistancy in flowering of a plant with these features and two, point out to owners why their plant doesn't qualify as peloric and does as deformed when there maybe multiple plants of it on display. |
that makes a lot of sense
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Roy, RobS
Thnaks for the excellente discussion! It seems (SEEMS, I said!) that the selfing I made of this plant will work this time (the ovary of the flower is very green); now I need to hope for some fertile seeds! An eventual offspring may help clarify the question: if the seedlings blossom "normal" with a percentage of peloric flowers, the idea of peloria will be reinforced; if the seedlings blossom with many non-classifiable deformities, will be reinforced the idea of deformity. Mericloning is outside my scope. |
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