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Old 10-26-2010, 01:24 PM
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Thanks a lot Steve! I got my answers...

Here's two pics of the flowers! The best I can do with this light..
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Old 10-26-2010, 01:56 PM
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oops! I need to take back all my words ... this is not warscewiczii, but ventricosum....
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Old 10-26-2010, 02:31 PM
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Totally agree with Kavanaru: definitely ventricosum
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Old 10-26-2010, 03:25 PM
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Ok, don't worry, I didn't amend the name yet..

But please, what's the difference?
I had a look in the web to the various Cycnoches but I appreciated only one difference: it seems the flower is flying.....
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Old 10-26-2010, 04:12 PM
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OK, just a very general differences, but this should help you. In the pictures below, you can see all 4 species of the ventricosum complex. The petals of chlorochilon and warscewiczii stay more or less flat, and the labellum of these two species do not have a prominent pedicel (in other words, they are just attached to the flower as a whole). Cyc. warscewiczii flowers are like a star, with the petals perpendicular to the labellum, while in Cyc. chlorochilon the petals are positioned upwards "almost parallel" to the labellum.

Cyc. ventricosum and Cyc. lehmanni have petals that go backwards and labellum joining the flower via a pedicel. The pedicel in lehmannii is proportionally larger and the white part of the labellum is very rounded (almost like having hydrocephalia)
(Added later on: Cyc. lehmannii's petals are also "veined" (can be seen in the attached picture)


Cycnoches warscewiczii by hawaiiansunshine, on Flickr

Cycnoches chlorochilon (Swan Orchid) by aeranthes, on Flickr

Cycnoches ventricosum by kavanaru, on Flickr

Cycnoches lehmannii by kavanaru, on Flickr

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Old 10-26-2010, 04:56 PM
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Thank you so much Ramon!!

I noticed this evening the petals going backwards and if the effect was very nice (like a bird flying), I suspected the flower was already collapsing!!

I'm going to change its name in my file...
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Old 10-26-2010, 04:59 PM
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Looks like a giant green butterfly.
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Old 10-27-2010, 05:30 AM
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I have forgotten to add that Cyc. lehmannii's petals are also "veined" (you can see it above in the attached picture)
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:55 PM
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I have forgotten to add that Cyc. lehmannii's petals are also "veined" (you can see it above in the attached picture)
Noticed and immediately after I had a look to mine.. They are not "veined"...
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Old 10-29-2010, 10:53 AM
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The differences are very subtle. I'm surprised these four haven't been lumped together into one species, as variants.
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