Cycnoches Jean E. Monnier

[SP2340]

Very cool, thank you!

[Carl Austin]

That's a great spike indicative of good culture over an extended period of time. Congratulations.

Carl

[Gena]

Thank you guys so much!
But I’m a bit confused ….. at RHS Cycnoches Jean E. Monnier is registered as barthiorum x cooperi, here is a link. Royal Horticultural Society - Plants: The International Orchid Register

At the same time in the Fred Clarke’s catalogue we can read information like that “My grex of Cyc. Jean E. Monnier (Cyc. cooperi ‘SVO’ AM/AOS x Cyc. barthiorum ‘SVO’ AM/AOS) …..”. But, of course, it is not the same hybrid!!!!
I compared the flowers in those two hybrids (take a look here HOME ) they are different as expected.
I’m confused now!!!!

[Olga]

I always thought that the sequence of parents in the RHS database is the one used for the original registered hybrid, but after that both combinations of the parents are still the same hybrid. I may be wrong though.

I just went to the RHS site and tried looking for Cyc, cooperi x barthiorum, it didn't find anything and suggested switching the parents, which IMO means that it is the same as barthiorum x cooperi.

[Carl Austin]

Olga, you are correct. It doesn't matter which parent carries the pod and which donates the pollen - they are both the same hybrid. In other words, A X B = B X A.

Carl

[Gena]

Originally Posted by Carl Austin

It doesn't matter which parent carries the pod and which donates the pollen - they are both the same hybrid. In other words, A X B = B X A.

I am not sure, Carl. I remember, that you referred to ICNCP in one topic (sorry, do not remember which one). But, as I know, at RHS the parentage is of importance (I mean seed/pollen parent). This information is a must in application for registration of an orchid hybrid form.

[Carl Austin]

Which parent is the seed parent is important in the registration process but I can't begin to imagine why. Believe me, this is something I have known for 30 years and have recently confirmed by going to the ICNCP site. It doesn't matter which is the seed parent and which the pollen parent - the hybrid is the same.
Some of you experienced growers out there, please weigh in. This should not be a controversy.

Carl

[Bruno De Toni]

Originally Posted by Carl Austin

Olga, you are correct. It doesn't matter which parent carries the pod and which donates the pollen - they are both the same hybrid. In other words, A X B = B X A.

Carl

It may be correct but the results are different. Fred Clarke uses different names for his hybrids dependind of the pod or polen plant and I guess this is the correct way to do things. By the way Jena yours is very nice as ussual.

[Gena]

OK, guys, to clarify (at least for me) all this with hybrids I’ve been in touch with RHS today. They kindly respond on my question and here is citation from a letter “The same grex name applies to a hybrid which ever way round the cross is made. If the progeny is noticeably different then a cultivar or group name can be given it.”.
Carl, you were right!

Bruno, thank you!

[arcatus]

My recent acquisition (silent auction, just in bud) is now in full bloom. Hope the flowers last a while, it is pretty spectacular.