Catasetum macrocarpum
Login
User Name
Password   


Registration is FREE. Click to become a member of OrchidBoard community
(You're NOT logged in)

menu menu

Sponsor
Donate Now
and become
Forum Supporter.

Catasetum macrocarpum
Many perks!
<...more...>


Sponsor
 

Google


Fauna Top Sites
Register Catasetum macrocarpum Members Catasetum macrocarpum Catasetum macrocarpum Today's PostsCatasetum macrocarpum Catasetum macrocarpum Catasetum macrocarpum
LOG IN/REGISTER TO CLOSE THIS ADVERTISEMENT
Go Back   Orchid Board - Most Complete Orchid Forum on the web ! > >
Reply
 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 1 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-15-2008, 08:41 PM
gixrj18 gixrj18 is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jun 2007
Zone: 9b
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,660
Default Catasetum macrocarpum

I bought this as a bare-root p-bulb (actually, it didn't have any roots) at the WOC, in January. I've been waiting anxiously to see this one bloom! It just started a second spike that is already 2-3" long! One bud already died because an ant, or something, triggered the pollinia.....it's got a hair trigger!
Catasetum macrocarpum-2008_0815xmas0014-jpgCatasetum macrocarpum-2008_0815xmas0015-jpg
Catasetum macrocarpum-2008_0815xmas0013-jpgCatasetum macrocarpum-2008_0815xmas0016-jpg
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-15-2008, 09:26 PM
cb977's Avatar
cb977 cb977 is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Zone: 9a
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Posts: 17,222
Default

Way too cool, Jasen!!!

I love it
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-15-2008, 09:26 PM
isurus79's Avatar
isurus79 isurus79 is offline
Senior Member
American Orchid Society Judge
 

Join Date: Sep 2007
Zone: 8b
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Age: 44
Posts: 10,317
Default

I love it! This is one of the more bizzare looking Catasetums and it looks like you've done a great job with it! Congrats! This one definitely on "the list."
__________________
Stephen Van Kampen-Lewis

Pics on Flickr

Instagram

YouTube
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-15-2008, 11:55 PM
unhappykat unhappykat is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Mar 2008
Zone: 9a
Location: Stockton, California, US.
Age: 34
Posts: 476
Default

Very nice, i think I will try a few more plants from this family.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-16-2008, 09:49 AM
gixrj18 gixrj18 is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jun 2007
Zone: 9b
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,660
Default

Thank you all! If you like Catasetum's, this one's a must.....and it smells like black licorice!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-16-2008, 10:00 AM
LauraN LauraN is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Zone: 9a
Location: Brooksville, Florida
Age: 62
Posts: 1,741
Default

Great job Jasen,
I ended up with one of these also from the WOC...of course mine bloomed while away on vacation last week, so I only got to see the final days of the blooms and they weren't really photo worthy as I grow them outside and the rain did a whamo on them, so I'll just enjoy your photos!
I love the goblin looking catasetums!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-16-2008, 10:08 AM
Paul Paul is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2006
Zone: 5b
Location: Michigan
Posts: 3,077
Catasetum macrocarpum Male
Default

Cool flower! I am surprised those are male flowers -- I thought the hooded ones were usually female.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gixrj18 View Post
Thank you all! If you like Catasetum's, this one's a must.....and it smells like black licorice!

Heheh that alone would disqualify for me -- can't stand anise. Too bad the flowers don't last longer (that and the large plant size are the main reasons I just enjoy the work of others instead of trying them myself)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-16-2008, 10:18 AM
gixrj18 gixrj18 is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jun 2007
Zone: 9b
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,660
Default

Paul, I think it is a female, but it still has an anther cap that looks like it comes off. This is what I was referring to, I didn't mean to write pollinia.....oops! The one that died was missing it's anther cap.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-08-2009, 06:51 AM
kavanaru kavanaru is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Zone: 7b
Posts: 3,623
Default

very nice Ctsm....

I know this thread is about one year old (I found it by chance googling for something compeltely different), but I think I could add some information to clarify some points regarding the ID of the plant and of the flowers...

Flowers: these are indeed male flowers and not female. Many Catasetum species have hooded male flowers (e.g. macrocarpum, discolor, planiceps, sanguineum, etc...). One easy way to identify male form female is to check for the 2 Antennae (trigger hairs!) at the basis of the column (there are two groups of catasetum: one with parallel antennae and one with crossing antennae). These are missing in the female flowers (but in some species they can be very very small giving the appearance of female flowers!!). Female flowers are normally less coloured in most species, and normally just green!

Plant: Although the presented flowers really look like those of Ctsm. macrocarpum, this plant cannot be identified as such. If you check the central horn of the hood, this is not pointed but somehow "truncated". A pure Ctsm. macrocarpum should have a very well defined trident (3 well defined and pointed horns). The 2 lateral horns in this plant are almost missing, and the border of the rest of the hood is also too irregular for teh pure species (this is also important, see below). As per current standards, this plant would be considered as Ctsm. xtapiriceps, which is the natural hybrid between Ctsm. macrocarpum and Ctsm. pileatum. Ctsm. xtapiriceps is actually a large complex of plants, incluidng the primary hibrid plus a large combination of backcrosses, back back crosses, and re crosses, giving a wide range of plants: quite close to Ctsm. macrocarpum (as the plant shown here) to quite close to Ctsm. pileatum.

Note that the artificial primary hybrid is now known as Ctsm. Tapiriceps, however in the past it was known as Ctsm. Splendens (RHS considers now Ctsm. pileatum var imperiale as a separate species, and Ctsm. Splendens as macrocarpum x imperiale - the ID of imperiale can lead to a long discussion, and this is actually considered by many, "including myself"**, as the other extrem of the xtapiriceps complex)

Furthermore, and back to the xtapiriceps complex, and to add more confusion, some plants considered as Ctsm. xtapiriceps (but the phenotypes closer to macrocarpum) have been collected from regions where Ctsm. pileatum does not exist... which suggest that the accepted "xtapiriceps complex" is indeed more complex than generally accepted - some of these plants can be tracked back to scapes from private collections, but in some cases this is less than probable.

for me, based on my field experience, and to make it simple, I consider Ctsm. pileatum as only one species including var. imperiale**; Ctsm. macrocarpum the very well known plant of this species (regardless, whether the "tooth" on the labelo is a perfect trident or not, but with very smooth hood border); Ctsm. xtapiriceps (and Tapiriceps, and Splendens) as anything else in between ... And I will change my mind, when someone shows me genetical evidence that it is not this way :-))

** OK, I must admit I am not very consistent when including var. imperiale as a variety of pileatum, but I do this just to simplify my own life and for "historical reasons", but aware of the following: the red color in imperiale, is "accepted" to come from macrocarpum genes which jumped into the pileatum pool (which, so far as I understand it, would make imperiale a hybrid of macrocarpum x pileatum - genes do not jump around from plant to plant without hybridization )

Last edited by kavanaru; 09-08-2009 at 02:34 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-08-2009, 10:05 AM
Bruno De Toni Bruno De Toni is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 369
Catasetum macrocarpum
Default

Ramon you wrote an excellent summary of what is going on with this specie, and I agree that this one on the picture is an xtapiriceps.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
2-3, bud, died, hair, spike, macrocarpum, catasetum


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
catasetum species question smweaver Catasetum and Stanhopea Alliance 3 07-05-2008 05:28 AM
catasetum bulb with root end missing from black rot SueK Catasetum and Stanhopea Alliance 7 06-19-2008 02:49 PM
Catasetum mystery plant smweaver Identification Forum 4 11-04-2007 12:18 PM
Catasetum atratum Tricho Catasetum and Stanhopea Alliance 7 06-26-2007 07:56 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:26 PM.

© 2007 OrchidBoard.com
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.37 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Clubs vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.