Cirrhopetalum gamosepalum & Cirrhopetalum flabellovernis

[kavanaru]

I have a question for the Bulbs fans... these two Cirrhoptalum species are often considered as synonims (also known as Cirrhopetalum lepidum), however, according to Garay (cited in IOSPE page) they are different and "obvious differences can be seen"... Does anyone here knows exactly which are these differences and how one can identify whether one plant belongs to one or other species?

Cirrhopetalum flabellovernis IOSPE PHOTOS

Cirrhopetalum gamosepalum IOSPE PHOTOS

[kavanaru]

Since my Cirrhopetalum lepidum is currently developing a spike (first since at my place ), I just wanted to bring bak this thread to the front and check if get any input this time....

[Mike O'C]

Originally Posted by kavanaru

I have a question for the Bulbs fans... these two Cirrhoptalum species are often considered as synonims (also known as Cirrhopetalum lepidum), however, according to Garay (cited in IOSPE page) they are different and "obvious differences can be seen"... Does anyone here knows exactly which are these differences and how one can identify whether one plant belongs to one or other species?

Cirrhopetalum flabellovernis IOSPE PHOTOS

Cirrhopetalum gamosepalum IOSPE PHOTOS

Ramon, looked through my books and cannot find the differences listed. Emily Siegerist (a co-worker with Garay) in Her book "Bulbophyllums and Their Allies" lists gamosepalum as a synonym for flabelloveneris/lepidum so I take it that it is now considered as a synonym. Cannot find where I have put my Seidenfaden book to see what he says but if he has any different ideas I will report back when I find my book.

[Mike O'C]

Originally Posted by kavanaru

I have a question for the Bulbs fans... these two Cirrhoptalum species are often considered as synonims (also known as Cirrhopetalum lepidum), however, according to Garay (cited in IOSPE page) they are different and "obvious differences can be seen"... Does anyone here knows exactly which are these differences and how one can identify whether one plant belongs to one or other species?

Cirrhopetalum flabellovernis IOSPE PHOTOS

Cirrhopetalum gamosepalum IOSPE PHOTOS

Ramon, found my Seidenfaden book on Cirrhopetalums. He mentions Cirrhopetalum griffithianum Par. & Reich.and Cirrhopetalum gamosepalum Griff. and adds a comment that Parish himself considered the 2 to be synonyms and Seidenfaden gives both as being synonyms for Cirrhopetalum lepidum. Coomber in his "Orchids of Java" refers the reader to Seidenfaden for a list of synonyms for Bulbophyllum/Cirrhopetalum lepidum. So I presume that we can take it that the two are synonymous and that the differences mentioned by Garay are not sufficient to make them separate but I am just guessing

[kavanaru]

Mike, Thanks a lot!!!

OK, and this all would mean that the correct name of this species should be then Cirrhopetalum flabellovernis as this is the basionym of the species, being Cirrhopetalum lepidum and Cirrhopetalum gamosepalum just synonims...


BTW, my Cirrhopetalum is doing pretty good and will have 5 nice flowers I contacted the nursery and they confirmed that the plant I received had never bloom before, so that this is the first at all for my plant

[Mike O'C]

Originally Posted by kavanaru

Mike, Thanks a lot!!!

OK, and this all would mean that the correct name of this species should be then Cirrhopetalum flabellovernis as this is the basionym of the species, being Cirrhopetalum lepidum and Cirrhopetalum gamosepalum just synonims...


BTW, my Cirrhopetalum is doing pretty good and will have 5 nice flowers I contacted the nursery and they confirmed that the plant I received had never bloom before, so that this is the first at all for my plant

Ramon, not being a taxonomist/botanist I suppose that is correct. The earliest name for this species was Epidendrum flabellum veneris described by Koenig in 1791. This name is not mentioned in Seidenfaden's
cirrhopetalum book 1973 but Seidenfaden and Ormerad transferred Koenig's plant/name to Cirrhopetalum flabelloveneris in 1995 and so that must be where the name change from Cirrhopetalum lepidum to Cirrhopetalum flabelloveneris took place.
References :
Seidenfaden : Notes on Cirrhopetalum Lindl. in Dansk Botanisk Arkiv (1973)
Siegerist : Bulbophyllums and their allies 2001

[kavanaru]

It's just lost the flowers, but I have had no time to post the pics... It looks more like the Cirrhopetalum gamosepalum in IOSPE...

Do Bulbos flowers always last for such a short period? only 1,5 weeks!!!

And before Sue and Dorothy ask , it smelled like fresh champignons

[Ross]

Ramon, I don't know about all bulbos but B. psychoon (which I posted about earlier) drops flowers very quickly. I was disappointed.

[Dorothy]

A little beauty .. it's goes very well in that Erin Pot
It smells like Agaricus bisporus? A 'shroom?
Would that be close to musty smelling?

[Mike O'C]

Originally Posted by kavanaru

It's just lost the flowers, but I have had no time to post the pics... It looks more like the Cirrhopetalum gamosepalum in IOSPE...

Do Bulbos flowers always last for such a short period? only 1,5 weeks!!!

And before Sue and Dorothy ask , it smelled like fresh champignons

Depends on the species. In some Bulbos where you have sequential flowering and each flower lasts about 4 or 5 days the spike will have a flower on for about 3 weeks or more.