Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2
Login
User Name
Password   


Registration is FREE. Click to become a member of OrchidBoard community
(You're NOT logged in)

menu menu

Sponsor
Donate Now
and become
Forum Supporter.

Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2
Many perks!
<...more...>


Sponsor
 

Google


Fauna Top Sites
Register Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Members Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Today's PostsHydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2
LOG IN/REGISTER TO CLOSE THIS ADVERTISEMENT
Go Back   Orchid Board - Most Complete Orchid Forum on the web ! > >
Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-24-2018, 02:21 AM
Ravi Ravi is offline
Member
 

Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 59
Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2
Default Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2

HP is an unstable liquid it dissociates in to nascent oxygen and free radicals which are responsible in damaging the DNA of a microorganism, in the context of Orchids this makes sense in sanitising root system after they are rid off dead mushy damaged roots.
In clinical practice H2O2 is one of the best time honoured agents in cleansing infected wounds especially gangrenous wounds which are needed to be irrigated thoroughly freeing the wound from sloughing, this exercise is similar to sanitising the dead roots of Orchids.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-24-2018, 02:27 AM
Orchid Whisperer Orchid Whisperer is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Zone: 8a
Location: Athens, Georgia, USA
Posts: 3,208
Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Male
Default

Don't use peroxide on roots. It will damage or kill them.
Reply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 2 Likes
Likes Ravi, Chemtiger liked this post
  #3  
Old 11-24-2018, 03:14 AM
aliceinwl aliceinwl is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Nov 2017
Zone: 9b
Location: Central Coast of California
Posts: 1,163
Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Female
Default

I think the problem with using it on roots is that it damages live ones. Roots have permeable tissues and form relationships with mycorrhizal fungi to take up water and nutrients. Blitzing these delicate tissues and necessary fungi with hydrogen peroxide is not good. I could see surgical application to a necrotic area potentially being okay (I've used it successfully to treat early stage leaf and crown rots), but drenching a root system isn't good.

I think application to dead roots is a waste too. Yes, they can be temporarily sanitized but they'll still be dead and will be recolonized by bacteria and fungi that break down dead tissues in short order. I think cutting off dead roots is the better route.

---------- Post added at 11:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:38 PM ----------

I want to add that when using peroxide to treat crown and leaf rots I've paired it with cinnamon powder. I don't know how good cinnamon is as an antibacterial or antifungal agent, but it does seem to be a good desiccant. The cinnamon rapidly dries out the infected area making it less susceptible to further decay. Note the end result is dry dead tissue: not something one would want to subject roots to.

Last edited by aliceinwl; 11-24-2018 at 02:41 AM..
Reply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 4 Likes
Likes Ravi, emmajs243, Merita, Chemtiger liked this post
  #4  
Old 11-24-2018, 05:15 AM
Ravi Ravi is offline
Member
 

Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 59
Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2
Default

The label says 3% H2O2 plantgrade, which means it has been brought down from 35% to 3%. My understanding is H2O2 at higher concentrations emits effervescence on application whereas down the low concentrations nothing discernible , will it still cause damage if appled to incised ends of the devitalised roots?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-24-2018, 08:55 AM
Orchid Whisperer Orchid Whisperer is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Zone: 8a
Location: Athens, Georgia, USA
Posts: 3,208
Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Male
Default

There is no benefit, at all, to putting H2O2 on live roots, cut or otherwise. Putting it on live tissue will create dead tissue (food for fungi, etc.).

Plants have natural mechanisms to cope with cuts, etc. Let the tissue dry, it will heal over, problem solved.
Reply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 1 Likes
Likes Chemtiger liked this post
  #6  
Old 11-24-2018, 09:20 AM
Ray's Avatar
Ray Ray is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: May 2005
Member of:AOS
Location: Oak Island NC
Posts: 15,191
Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Male
Default

Alan Koch, owner of Gold Country Orchids, pours hydrogen peroxide through his pots as a way to oxygenate the medium.

I haven't used it much, but I've never seen damage from doing so. Frankly, I've not seen much benefit, either.
__________________
Ray Barkalow, Orchid Iconoclast
FIRSTRAYS.COM
Try Kelpak - you won't be sorry!
Reply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 1 Likes
Likes emmajs243 liked this post
  #7  
Old 11-24-2018, 11:09 AM
Orchid Whisperer Orchid Whisperer is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Zone: 8a
Location: Athens, Georgia, USA
Posts: 3,208
Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Male
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray View Post
Alan Koch, owner of Gold Country Orchids, pours hydrogen peroxide through his pots as a way to oxygenate the medium. <Snip>
Ray, I'm sure you know that despite what Alan Koch is doing with peroxide, it isn't doing what he thinks it is doing.

Like chlorine bleach, hydrogen peroxide is an oxidizer (oxidizing agent). Stated in simple chemical tems, an oxidizer causes materials to lose electrons. Other oxidizers include fluorine, chlorine, nitric acid, sulfuric acid.

Although the fizzing that happens when peroxide reacts with organic matter is caused by oxygen gas production, that is insignificant compared to oxygen in the medium due to regular air movement through a pot of orchid medium.

Best case scenario, hydrogen peroxide is probably breaking down the orchid medium faster, with some hydrogen peroxide absorbed into root velamen (designed to quickly soak in liquids), where it can break down living tissue.

An oxidizer does not oxygenate. If you want to oxygenate medium, get more air to flow through the medium.

Last edited by Orchid Whisperer; 11-24-2018 at 11:19 AM..
Reply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 2 Likes
Likes aliceinwl, Chemtiger liked this post
  #8  
Old 11-24-2018, 11:55 AM
TomThumb TomThumb is offline
Member
 

Join Date: Oct 2018
Zone: 7b
Location: new york
Posts: 57
Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Female
Default

I think that the prevalence of people using hydrogen peroxide on roots is due to a very popular youtuber who is also responsible for the popularity of semi-hydro. I admit i did enjoy her videos quite a bit when i first started the hobby and i still watch new ones but my methods differ from hers and i haven't used hydrogen peroxide on roots. I have used it in conjunction with cinnamon to treat crown rot with some success as well as one failure. Her reason for using it is simply because she doesn't like to use chemical forms of pest control. However she sees no issue experimenting with plant hormones to grow keikis so who knows where she wants to draw the line. I will say she often voices the caveat that what works for her may not work for others but her popularity and her vast amount of orchids lead many to follow some of her good advice and some of her bad advice.
Reply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 1 Likes
Likes Chemtiger liked this post
  #9  
Old 11-24-2018, 03:46 PM
Ray's Avatar
Ray Ray is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: May 2005
Member of:AOS
Location: Oak Island NC
Posts: 15,191
Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Male
Default

OW - I am going to disagree with you on this one - surprise, huh?

Drug store grade hydrogen peroxide is not a very good oxidizer, but when it decomposes - something it does quite readily - it releases oxygen, which seems more like oxygenation than oxidation to me, although I agree whole-heartedly that a good flush with a water breaker probably does as good of-, if not a better job of oxygenation.
__________________
Ray Barkalow, Orchid Iconoclast
FIRSTRAYS.COM
Try Kelpak - you won't be sorry!

Last edited by Ray; 11-24-2018 at 04:03 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-24-2018, 04:29 PM
Roberta's Avatar
Roberta Roberta is offline
Super Moderator
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Zone: 10a
Location: Coastal southern California, USA
Posts: 13,841
Hydrogen peroxide-H2O2 Female
Default

My concern with hydrogen peroxide on roots is potential damage to the tiny hairs on the growing tips. Those microscopic hairs are vital to the growth of new roots. H2O2 tends to destroy small bits of tissue - the fizzing may be good for the edges of a cut on one's finger (skin will regrow) but doing that to the tip a root may end its growth. And I doubt very much that it will do much to disinfect the medium.
__________________
Orchids teach patience!

Roberta's Orchids (visit my back yard)

See what orchid species are blooming in Southern California(New page for DECEMBER 2024)
Reply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 3 Likes
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
dead, orchids, roots, sanitising, wounds


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hydrogen Peroxide for snails in orchid pots? MissOrchidGirl Pests & Diseases 20 09-01-2020 12:39 AM
Hydrogen peroxide on phal bark mix!! greenpassion Beginner Discussion 9 02-28-2018 06:11 PM
Dendrobium resting phase or wrinkling stem no leaf disease? Elfkin Pests & Diseases 27 03-19-2017 05:59 PM
Question about replating and hydrogen peroxide Silje Propagation 4 06-24-2015 02:47 PM
hydrogen peroxide as fertilizer? soprillo Advanced Discussion 24 12-13-2011 07:30 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:23 AM.

© 2007 OrchidBoard.com
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.37 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Clubs vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.