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Old 06-26-2017, 04:03 PM
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OK, I know, I know, what's good for one beginner may not be good for any others based on local climate, growing conditions, time to devote, etc....

Still, I think there must be some, that for a majority of people are fairly hardy and tolerant of a wide range of conditions (and noobs' mistakes). And I think that there are some that are more difficult to grow even for more experienced growers so those are probably less tolerant of beginners who are more likely to make mistakes.

King of Orchid Growing (KoOG) posted a couple of examples in another thread for a user, Prosthecea/Encyclia Cochleata and Denbrobium normanbyense.

Granted, people are probably going to buy what they see in a store on impulse or what looks pretty (assuming they haven't read the "Beginners Buying Guide" sticky thread), but some, may find this sort of thing useful.

(I suspect my next purchase may be that Cochleata or hell, maybe both )

But I'm also attracted to the pBulbs on Catasetums. I try to purchase stuff that will spark my interest whether it's blooming or not. I've been reading, and Catasetums sound less tolerant of a hamfisted newbie that might be tempted to start watering as soon as they see the tip of a root. Granted, if you do your research, I think they can be successfully grown as long as you know a few fairly firm guidlines surrounding their dormant phase and how to feed/water when they aren't dormant.

Anyway, having a list of 5 or 10 or 25 different orchids that are less exacting in their requirements may help new growers get a successful start.

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recommended a species:

Encyclia cochleata

Here're some links to vendors that sell this orchid:

Encyclia cochleata at Santa Barbara Orchid Estate

Orchids by Marlow - Prosthechea cochleata [Encyclia]

Encyclia Prosthechea cochleata blooming size species

In my opinion, it is one of the easier orchids to grow. It was one of the first orchids I was successfully able to grow for a decent amount of time and I was able to make it bloom with very little effort, (when I was a newbie).

This species grows as a sympodial, which means if anything happens to the plant, it is easier to get rid of diseased portions of the plant.

It is temperature tolerant. This species can take heat over 100 F for brief periods of time or take it down to 45 F.

It is forgiving in terms of lighting requirements. It grows in moderately bright light, but lower lighting can be tolerated for a short period of time without adverse effects.

It grows fast. This is advantageous to not only a beginner, but for someone who is used to instant gratification and has to learn how to be patient. (I'm not implying anyone is impatient here, I'm just speaking generally. I was impatient when I was a beginner, and still have bouts of dealing with this. So for anyone who is like me, you're not alone.)

It has interesting flowers.

It is fragrant.

It is easy to bloom. No special tricks required.

They are not stingy with root growth. When the roots grow, they GROW!

It is not a complicated orchid to learn basic orchid growing behaviors from. Notice I don't write paragraphs upon paragraphs about Encyclia cochleata. It is much different for Phalaenopsis.

They can be grown in humidity levels that are moderate. The humidity doesn't have to be high for it to really take off.

It is not a water hog.

There is no dormancy period to worry about nor are there concerns about how to store anything. There is nothing to store. It is evergreen. Does it slow down its growth during the winter? Yes, it does. Does it stop growing? Not really.

There is no stem tuber or root tuber or whatever tuber to worry about. Encyclia cochleata has no tubers to learn about.

It is for the most part, an evergreen orchid. There is no need to worry about it going deciduous during a certain part of the year.

They have smooth pseudobulbs, none of this confusing ridged pseudobulbs being a natural thing for the orchid or having to figure out if the ridges are because of the plant being underwatered. If the orchid is underwatered, the usually smooth pseudobulbs will shrivel. There is no guessing game involved.

The plant or growths will not die if the orchid is done blooming. Some orchids do die after blooming. The genus Disa comes to mind in regards to this subject matter.

It is simply an epiphyte. There are no other modes of growing for the grower to be aware of or accommodate for.

They are tough as nails and very resilient.

They are small to medium sized plants that are easy to accommodate for in a limited amount of indoors space.

They're pretty orderly growing. They don't sprawl all over the place and therefore don't look quite so disorganized.

if you want another suggestion for a plant that is virtually indestructible, that can easily be grown, is quite small, and blooms a lot, try Dendrobium normanbyense.

Dendrobium normanbyense 3" pot or mounted

Dendrobium normanbyense – Clown Alley Orchids

Dendrobium in the section Latouria do not have dormancies nor do they go deciduous.
These both sound pretty great.

Maybe, if possible, suggestions from several different families.

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Old 06-26-2017, 05:43 PM
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Ok, you realize you will now have a gazillion opinions. I try to buy plants that fit my conditions. I started with phals and moved to a Den Phal, then to oncidiums. I could grow Catts but not bloom them (so I got lights). If I was giving advice In would say the most rewarding plants are as TKIOG said:
"Dendrobium in the section Latouria do not have dormancies nor do they go deciduous."

I would suggest Den Little Atro and any of the Lautouria types.Mine started blooming in early winter and I just today cut the last flowers off. I also think Den phals are bullet proof. Now that I am on the OB I have branched out but I seldom bring home a plant without researching it a bit. Then I ask the members what they think. So far, so good...
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:38 PM
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Ok, you realize you will now have a gazillion opinions. I try to buy plants that fit my conditions. I started with phals and moved to a Den Phal, then to oncidiums. I could grow Catts but not bloom them (so I got lights). If I was giving advice In would say the most rewarding plants are as TKIOG said:
"Dendrobium in the section Latouria do not have dormancies nor do they go deciduous."

I would suggest Den Little Atro and any of the Lautouria types.Mine started blooming in early winter and I just today cut the last flowers off. I also think Den phals are bullet proof. Now that I am on the OB I have branched out but I seldom bring home a plant without researching it a bit. Then I ask the members what they think. So far, so good...
Thanks for the info. Yeah, I'm expecting a ton of potentially conflicting opinions. But I figure if I get enough opinions, a few will stand out.

Beautiful plant, which is that?

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Figure out whether you tend to overwater other house plants or underwater them. Be sure you get orchids more suited to your habits. Cloud forest epiphytes, Vandas and mounted orchids are not for people who forget to water. Cattleyas and Phalaenopsis are not for people who overwater.
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Figure out whether you tend to overwater other house plants or underwater them. Be sure you get orchids more suited to your habits. Cloud forest epiphytes, Vandas and mounted orchids are not for people who forget to water. Cattleyas and Phalaenopsis are not for people who overwater.
Good stuff. Even among those, there aren't any that stand out as being particularly more hardy than others?

I thought I had read in some culture sheets somewhere that Catts should totally dry between waterings, but Phals should never quite completely dry. But then they are epiphytic, and they do seem to do really well mounted. (which I'd really dying to do, BTW).
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I've only had it a couple of months and it hasn't flowered for me yet, but my Brassavola Little Stars seems to be pretty resilient. It has put out lots of new leaves and roots despite my newbie mistakes and repotting twice.
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I think that the best answers here so far are from Carol (Dollythehun) and ES. When I was first starting, it was recommended to me that Tolumnias (then called Dancing Lady or equitant Oncidiums) were easy peasy. Every one I've tried in almost 40 years has died. Your best bet is to really get to know the conditions where you'll be able to grow. Measure light, temperature, and humidity. You'll learn from this the ranges of conditions. Then research what orchids do best in those conditions. A book titled Orchids to Know and Grow does a great job of sorting plants by growing conditions. Then try a few and see what happens.
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I agree that at least for me in Louisiana Brassavola no dosas has been a great grower. I have also only lost one paphiopedilum despite losing a bunch of phals. I find paphs much easier for beginners than phals.
I also bought an Encyclia cochleata last week. Too soon to tell how it does for me. I still have it in quarantine adjusting in lower light after its trip. It had a yellow leaf when I got it.
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Thanks all. Good tip on the book, jkofferdahl.

Shadeplant, good to know. Isn't that Brassavola one that has a scent? I thought I remembered reading that.
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Thanks all. Good tip on the book, jkofferdahl.

Shadeplant, good to know. Isn't that Brassavola one that has a scent? I thought I remembered reading that.
Yes, Brassavola is supposed to be fragrant at night.
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