coming out of winter rest.

[Dollythehun]

This would be a good reason to buy plants that fit your conditions, Dolly.

[mexicowpants]

I don't think it's a case of the plants not fitting the conditions - all my Dens have been bought from a local cultivator who has - how shall I put this - rather "rustic" greenhouses - no temperature or humidity controls, no added ventilation, etc. Wall-to-wall blooms for him during February to April.
And who knows? Some of the nubs my plants are forming right now might be blooms - I actually had one bloom mid-September, right in the middle of heavy fertilization and rather warm temperatures. Go figure.
Well, if they all come out as keikis, I'm gonna look on the bright side of it - a shed-load of keikis this year will hopefully mean several times the number of flowering plants next year. Just need to find the space for them... 😂

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[bil]

Originally Posted by mexicowpants

I don't think it's a case of the plants not fitting the conditions - all my Dens have been bought from a local cultivator who has - how shall I put this - rather "rustic" greenhouses - no temperature or humidity controls, no added ventilation, etc. Wall-to-wall blooms for him during February to April.
And who knows? Some of the nubs my plants are forming right now might be blooms - I actually had one bloom mid-September, right in the middle of heavy fertilization and rather warm temperatures. Go figure.
Well, if they all come out as keikis, I'm gonna look on the bright side of it - a shed-load of keikis this year will hopefully mean several times the number of flowering plants next year. Just need to find the space for them... 😂

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Don't forget, you get the best results from harvesting the whole cane and planting/mounting that. Individual keikis just don't do well for me.

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Originally Posted by estación seca

My understanding is that fertilizing too late in the summer prevents flowering. The previously-quoted link says to stop fertilizing before August. If not, rather than flowers, the plants form keikiis.

Too-warm nights also prevent flowering. I infer, from reading the Yamamoto descriptions of their plants (the wholesale descriptions are more detailed than the retail descriptions) some hybrids are more tolerant of warm fall/winter temperatures than others, when it comes to flowering.

I suspect shoot formation is related to warm temperatures, and may occur whenever temperatures are warm enough. My sunroom and the central Mexican plateau are probably warmer in the day than are Himalayan foothills.

Well, what I have been hearing is much the same. The biggest effects on the flowers vs keiki ratio is temp and nitrogen. Water isn't terribly relevant (altho there might be exceptions out there)
As soon as they stop growing in late summer early autumn, stop fertilising and water with plain water. Don't be too quick to bring them in, and let them get as cold as you dare for as long as you dare.

[rbarata]

As soon as they stop growing in late summer early autumn, stop fertilising and water with plain water. Don't be too quick to bring them in, and let them get as cold as you dare for as long as you dare.

That's what I've been doing until now but this summer I stopped fertilizing due to a suspicion of spider mites infestation and, instead of water +fertilizer I showered it with plain water+dishwasher, detergent and alcohol.

Not sure if this was caused by the lack of nitrogen in the middle of the summer but I'm seeing lots of buds, even in 3 year old canes.

[bil]

Originally Posted by rbarata

That's what I've been doing until now but this summer I stopped fertilizing due to a suspicion of spider mites infestation and, instead of water +fertilizer I showered it with plain water+dishwasher, detergent and alcohol.

Not sure if this was caused by the lack of nitrogen in the middle of the summer but I'm seeing lots of buds, even in 3 year old canes.

Personally, if I see a bug, I kill it with fire. I had a bout of spider mites, and everything got hit with a serious acaricide.
I don't believe in alternative treatments.

I want to hear them scream.

[mexicowpants]

Originally Posted by bil

Don't forget, you get the best results from harvesting the whole cane and planting/mounting that. Individual keikis just don't do well for me.

Someone else on this forum recommended the same thing to me about a year back, telling me that a cane that has produced keikis won't flower again. Couldn't bring myself to do it. All those keikis are now 2- or 3-cane plants, and the original cane is again producing something -- too early to tell if it's flower or keiki yet, but whichever it is, it's something I wouldn't have had if I'd cut the cane up.



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[bil]

Originally Posted by mexicowpants

Someone else on this forum recommended the same thing to me about a year back, telling me that a cane that has produced keikis won't flower again. Couldn't bring myself to do it. All those keikis are now 2- or 3-cane plants, and the original cane is again producing something -- too early to tell if it's flower or keiki yet, but whichever it is, it's something I wouldn't have had if I'd cut the cane up.



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If I didn't want to propagate, I would snip the keikis off as soon as I identified them.

I don't cut the cane up either, but plant the whole thing.