Documentation of Progress for Damaged Phals.

[Brooke]

Originally Posted by King_of_orchid_growing:)

Brooke, you can antagonize me all you like, but that's still going to be a Phal lindenii whether you want to believe it or not. When it blooms you'll see.

When you're calling me out to be a liar, you're calling the previous owners of Oak Hill Gardens out to be one too, just saying.

And, no, I don't have any reason to believe that the previous owners of Oak Hill Gardens mislabeled the 2 Phal lindenii when they picked it out for me and sent it to me.

One did not make it due to repeated scale infestations, but this one did.

But if you think its a Phal stuartiana, or whatever other kind of Phal it is, you can go ahead and believe it.

Hell, if you think it's a Vanda go ahead and think that too.

You might as well think its a dandelion, 'cause to you it'll never be what it really is - Phal lindenii.

Just because this plant doesn't fit in neatly into the paradigm with what is known, doesn't mean it isn't Phal lindenii.

The OLD LEAVES used to have mottling prior to dropping its leaves, the NEW LEAVES grew out this way. I'm sorry that it upsets you, but I can't tell the plant what to do and expect it to obey my orders.

It IS a Phal lindenii. End of discussion.

I didn't try to antagonize you nor did I call you a liar. Those are your misinterpretations of my responses to you.

I pointed out, with an example in bloom, what the foliage would look like on a lindenii. I do admit to being amused you are capable of identifying a Phal by the shape of two very small leaves when I pointed out many Phals have that shape leaf. Most people with any knowledge of Phals won't even attempt to ID a blooming Phal so it is nice to find an expert on Phal leaf shapes.

Your Phal with the green leaves definitely does not fit into the paradigm of what is known as a lindenii, because a lindenii does have and will always have patterned leaves, or it is not a lindenii.

Trust me, I'm not upset and if you want to call your green leaves a lindenii, not a problem. Call it whatever makes you happy.

Brooke

[Optimist]

I am making an honest effort to discover the most effective way to bring back a dying phal. I have learned much at the feet of the masters here, and feel I am at a breakthrough place in my understanding. That these two were without leaves totally blows my mind. Literally. Poof. There it goes. If you can get into the tedious verbage of how you saved these lovely little sprouts, I would love for you to regail us with the epic, at least. What they are matters little to me, stewartiana or wallmartius, or loweii. Please, no more squabbling!

[james mickelso]

It is always to the benefit of those newcomers among us to learn from cultural practices how someone does something with their plants. Be it rescue, propagation, disease control, ect, I think it is worth our time to expound on what we have done and how we did it. Nice save by the way.

[NeofinetiaCanada2014]

I have grown both species for many years and sometimes mottled leaves come out green for many reasons, mostly if the plant has been weakened. As soon as they regain strength it will definitely return the mottling. And it's true, lindenii has narrow leaves with spectacular mottling up to 12 inches as an adult.

Leslie


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[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Originally Posted by Optimist

I am making an honest effort to discover the most effective way to bring back a dying phal. I have learned much at the feet of the masters here, and feel I am at a breakthrough place in my understanding. That these two were without leaves totally blows my mind. Literally. Poof. There it goes. If you can get into the tedious verbage of how you saved these lovely little sprouts, I would love for you to regail us with the epic, at least. What they are matters little to me, stewartiana or wallmartius, or loweii. Please, no more squabbling!

Most of what I post on the OB is pretty close to how "I do it".

I pretty much follow these guidelines as a way to go about growing the many types of orchids out there:

1. Learn how the orchid grows in the wild. This will tell you a little bit about the orchid's habits.

2. Research the area where the orchid grows. This will tell you a little bit about the orchid's growing environment and needs.

3. Learn about the materials that are available for hobbyists to use for the various different methods of growing orchids, and their properties.

4. Learn about different methods of growing plants in general, not just orchids. Sometimes, I will try out certain things that other growers of other kinds of plants do, and sometimes I'm surprised to know that some of it works for orchids too!

5. If it is an oddball of an orchid, don't be afraid to try different growing media, pots, or growing methods, etc.

6. Use your brain! We all have one, so if its functional, use it to be creative and/or think critically.

7. If the problem is difficult to figure out, don't be afraid to ask someone.

8. If at first you fail, try again, learn from the mistake, and try something different. Sometimes, trying that something different is radically different, (like way out to left field, different). Other times, the difference is just only a slight change from what you were doing before.

9. Sometimes success can come from "happy accidents".

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

I forgot to say this:

10. Sometimes true success comes from multiple, tiny, incremental successes.

11. Cross reference your references. Make sure something matches. Sometimes you have to think critically, because the information doesn't seem to match at first, but once you get to the bottom of things, you'll discover a common thread that was hidden in plain sight.