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Old 05-16-2014, 02:00 AM
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delenatii is not an epiphyte. They usually live on small pockets or crevice on rocks, and the roots are usually buried in sands with little moss or decayed leaf litter unlike many other paphs.

Regular paph culture is fine for this one.

Parvi flowers usually are short-lived compared to some others in the genus.
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delenatii is not an epiphyte. They usually live on small pockets or crevice on rocks, and the roots are usually buried in sands with little moss or decayed leaf litter unlike many other paphs.

Regular paph culture is fine for this one.

Parvi flowers usually are short-lived compared to some others in the genus.
I'm not doubting your statement. It wouldn't be a stretch at all for Paph delenatii to be a lithophyte. I'm tentatively stating that Paph delenatii is an epiphyte based off of what little bit of information on their habitat that I could find on the web. Plus, I couldn't find photos to verify whether or not Paph delenatii truly is an epiphyte or not.

So...

If you don't mind me asking. If Paph delenatii is not an epiphyte, how were you able to verify that it truly is a lithophyte and what/where are those sources? If your answer is correct, I'd like to know how it's correct.

I got curious about what you said and did a bit more digging and I found something that is contrary to what I've read before about Paph delenatii and its habitat.

Was your source perhaps this one?

Paphiopedilum delenatii

Perhaps it was another source?

If the above link was your source, I'm quite surprised that it says that it is a lithophyte of granitic rocks rather than limestone. That is still something quite radically different from what I understood about Paphs from the section Parvisepalum.

Let me be clearer…

If it is true that Paph delenatii is a lithophyte of granitic rocks, then it is still an outlier out of all the Paphs in the section Parvisepalum.

Why?

Because all the other Paphs in section Parvisepalum known in the hobby are lithophytes growing on limestone rocks.

It would be appreciated if you could help provide the correct information.

Thank you.
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I'm going to second that it is simply dying. One of my 'Pink Fred' blossoms started to turn brown and within a couple of days it fell off, before turning brown completely. It still has two and a third bud is opening. This has been in bloom for over a month.

How often do you water, just curious?
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I'm not doubting your statement. It wouldn't be a stretch at all for Paph delenatii to be a lithophyte. I'm tentatively stating that Paph delenatii is an epiphyte based off of what little bit of information on their habitat that I could find on the web. Plus, I couldn't find photos to verify whether or not Paph delenatii truly is an epiphyte or not.

So...

If you don't mind me asking. If Paph delenatii is not an epiphyte, how were you able to verify that it truly is a lithophyte and what/where are those sources? If your answer is correct, I'd like to know how it's correct.

I got curious about what you said and did a bit more digging and I found something that is contrary to what I've read before about Paph delenatii and its habitat.

Was your source perhaps this one?

Paphiopedilum delenatii

Perhaps it was another source?

If the above link was your source, I'm quite surprised that it says that it is a lithophyte of granitic rocks rather than limestone. That is still something quite radically different from what I understood about Paphs from the section Parvisepalum.

Let me be clearer…

If it is true that Paph delenatii is a lithophyte of granitic rocks, then it is still an outlier out of all the Paphs in the section Parvisepalum.

Why?

Because all the other Paphs in section Parvisepalum known in the hobby are lithophytes growing on limestone rocks.

It would be appreciated if you could help provide the correct information.

Thank you.
I have seen quite a few of plants (all but emersonii) in the section parvisepalum in person in nature.

Delenatii is different in that it is a warm grower unlike all others in that section, and yes, they do not live in limestone but granite rock.
That is why many people do not apply lime stone in the potting mix of delenatii. I personally do not put lime stone in any of my parvis as I believe regular fertilization is more than enough.

Regarding other plants in the parvi section being lithophyte, I do not agree at all. When observers report plants growing in rock crevice or pockets filled with dirt or moss (rather than roots are completely naked on the rock surface), I don't take that as true lithophyte.

Hangianum might be the closet one that might be referred to as lithophyte, but others are almost always growing in the dirt not on the rock surface itself. Also, very often, these plants are found in the dirt (leaf litter) on the ground (especially malipoense) just like plants from barbarta section, except they are all from much higher elevation.

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I'm going to second that it is simply dying. One of my 'Pink Fred' blossoms started to turn brown and within a couple of days it fell off, before turning brown completely. It still has two and a third bud is opening. This has been in bloom for over a month.

How often do you water, just curious?
The short life span of many of these plants are really turn off for me.

I really want HCM, but I have not heard anyone who had it in bloom longer than two weeks.

Paph flowers may drop looking fresh, a little brown, very brown, completely transparent, or do not drop on their own but stay hanging until brown and bone dry.
sometimes it is as much fun as watching the buds open up.

Regarding watering, it is a tough one as everyone have different growing conditions.

You have to know how quick your mix dries out.
Unless your mix is all moss or other material that are very old and mushy, I would say water about twice a week should be enough. Do not let the plant go bone dry. That is no no for paphs.

Also, knowing your plants root conditions also help in determing HOW you water them.
Many single growth paphs may not have many roots and these may sometimes be shallow. Once or twice watering for indoor condition is not good in this situation because the bottom mix may stay wet while the shallow roots that are in the top one inch or so of the pot is almost always too dry, the plant will not grow as well as it should.
What I do with these plants is that I mist the top of the mix daily to give enough water to those roots without wetting the entire pot. Then once a week or so, I would water the entire pot.

For the one with many growths with many roots, you want to water at least 2-3 times a week.

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