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Old 03-01-2014, 02:14 PM
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They all look ok to me.
All are big enough to flower when conditions are right.

New leaves getting leggy might indicate not enough light. Paphs do need bright light to grow and flower well, just not direct sun. "low light" or "shade" can cause such big confusion for many people.

Now, how often do you water? Your potting mix looks bone dry to me, although fresh.
You don't need to repot yearly. I repot my paphs probably every three years. Mine are mostly in orchiata based mix or chc mix.
If you do not water enough, paphs will grow slowly if ever, and there will be no flowers.

I have two specimen sized paphs in chc going four and five years and they are doing perfectly well.

Your first paph should be kept warm year around.
The other two might flower better with some cooling in the fall and winter, although some flower no matter what as long as your house is not kept warm all the time. They will usually bloom some time between fall and spring, winter being the peak.

The first one will bloom whenever it is ready. Once it gets going and the condition is right, it can bloom a few time a year.
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I hear different things about CHC, but I think as long as it is prepped properly it is a good growing medium.

I will up the water as that seems to be a consensus. I water every two/three weeks or so, bit more in summer. Is it best to have the top always looking slightly moist then?

I think the mix looks fresh, so I am loathe to repot this year. Good idea to leave it?

Amount of light is one of the most puzzling things with orchids. I read Paphs, like Masdevallia, prefer shade. Does that refer to it's natural habitat? With light only from one window on a side in a house and non from above or all around does 'shade' really mean a window that gets a fair bit of light, but no direct sun?

Is the cycle of Paphs to shoot a new growth in the spring/summer, then flower from that in the winter? Followed by another growth of flower, while the other growths effectively remain dormant?
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It would depend on what you quantify as shade; I would say grow your paphs somewhere between 1000-1500 footcandles (fc) of light; think under a deciduous leaved tree on a bright summer day, when the sun is directly overhead. If you have a light meter, take a reading at intervals of distance from your window on a clear day; you will most likely see that the available light is most intense within the first 5-10" from the windowpane; after that the intensity falls off rapidly. If you are growing in a west window, I'd wager your light is about correct, provided your plants are within a foot of the window; provided there is not a large tree/building/etc outside of the window that is mediating the light exposure.
As to the growth cycle, usually new growth is made up, the new growth flowers and new growth again commences; each fan of new growth will only bloom once. After blooming the fan is providing nourishment to the plant and developing new growth(s). The species paphs usually have some seasonality to their growth/flowering cycle; the hybrids not so much.
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I will up the water as that seems to be a consensus. I water every two/three weeks or so, bit more in summer. Is it best to have the top always looking slightly moist then?...

...I think the mix looks fresh, so I am loathe to repot this year. Good idea to leave it?...

...Amount of light is one of the most puzzling things with orchids....
Environment is different for each of us, but I frankly cannot imagine any medium for orchids that would like water every two to three weeks, other than perhaps sphagnum? I am really new to both paphs and phrags, but my understanding is moist, moist, moist. Have had good success and reblooming in S/H culture. Not so much in other media, but that's just me.

I also think your mix looks really fresh. Unless changing to different medium, why bother? Although paphs for me don't appear to mind repotting, regardless of their current condition.

Lighting... I am with you on that one! I have a light meter and the whole bit, but have found watching the color of leaves to be a better indicator...for me. Frankly, lighting understanding isn't just a conundrum for orchids... in my outside flower gardens I have 8-hours of full sun a day plants blooming in light shade, that simply wilted and attempted to croak in full sun. Etc, etc, etc. In the overall scheme of things we each have our own microclimate, thus finding the right balance comes down to listening to others' advice... then figuring out how that works for you and yours.
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Old 03-02-2014, 12:48 PM
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I was reticent with water as the CHC does retain a fair bit and I rotted roots on some Phals.

I will not repot, esp as if the Paphs are stressed through lack of water and light it is the last thing they need if the medium is still fresh.

I'll keep experimenting with light and finding places where they are happy.

Thankyou to all posters for helping me out so much!
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Old 03-02-2014, 01:13 PM
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I hear different things about CHC, but I think as long as it is prepped properly it is a good growing medium.

I will up the water as that seems to be a consensus. I water every two/three weeks or so, bit more in summer. Is it best to have the top always looking slightly moist then?

I think the mix looks fresh, so I am loathe to repot this year. Good idea to leave it?

Amount of light is one of the most puzzling things with orchids. I read Paphs, like Masdevallia, prefer shade. Does that refer to it's natural habitat? With light only from one window on a side in a house and non from above or all around does 'shade' really mean a window that gets a fair bit of light, but no direct sun?

Is the cycle of Paphs to shoot a new growth in the spring/summer, then flower from that in the winter? Followed by another growth of flower, while the other growths effectively remain dormant?
You have to ask a seller of chc about the quality. I buy from a buyer who claims that theirs is ready to use out of the bag and that is what I do. So far (a few years) no problems whatsoever.

chc does retain moisture but unless they are broken down badly which can take a long time, they are also quite airy I would say.

Phals are epiphyte, so they will not like to stay too moist all the time as compared to paphs which are semi-terrestrial.

Every two or three weeks watering interval is, as someone mentioned, too dry, especially for paphs. Paphs should NEVER dry out.
I believe that is why you are not seeing any flowers. They simply won't. In nature, that is main cue along with temperature (certain species) that signals paphs it is time to flower. You are basically giving them drought season all the time.

I would not repot your paphs as the mix looks new and with the way you've been watering, they probably are new.
I would recommend soaking the entire pot to give your plants good hydration. then let it drain well. I only mist the top inch or so of the mix when I know that there are some shallow roots that dry out between regular watering. If your plants have lots of good roots that circulate the pots, then misting is not really necessary. it never hurts though!

All three paphs you have, they do not need a lot of light, but they do best with fair a bit. The species that make up the hybrids you have are mostly grow in nature where they get plenty of sun only dappled by tall grass or other trees. During part of the day, they may get direct sunlight a little bit as well, especially the plain green leafed ones.
I grow all my paphs by sunny window that has sheer curtain drawn. Some tall plants like dendrobiums and cattleyas are sitting right up against the window, then the next come my paphs. They are somewhere between 30 cm to 1.5m away from the window. They get quite a bit of light.

Easy way to determine whether your paphs are getting enough light is to place your hand about 30 cm above your paphs during the brightest part of the day and see how strong the shadow is.
If you don't see any shadow, then it is too dark. If you see too sharp cast, then it may be too bright. but if this level of light is only for a very short time of the day, then it should be alright.
If you can just see the shadow, that is ideal. Err on the slightly brighter side. As long as green leaves are not bleaching, it is not getting too much light.
Too little light, the leaves will grow weak and leggy.

Many species that make up your latter two paphs start growing leaves in the spring into early fall. Then they go through somewhat cooler winter during which time they do not grow but prepare for flowering.
Your hybrids will follow the same general pattern. Once they get quite big, they may produce multiple new fans at a time. The new fans can follow after flowering (right after or months after depending on the variety and plant vigor) or many hybrids grow new shoots while in bloom.

Your first one does not have any distinct rest period, but rather grows year around and flower any time of the year when each new fan matures. If the summer is too hot or winter is too cool, they may stop growing until mild weather returns.

All my maudiae type hybrids (like your first one) grow and flower year around.
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:02 AM
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The shadow test is not ideal as light only comes from one side, but if I do it to the side I get a good shadow. I have them up against the window as neither sill gets full sun.

My CHC comes from a good source so confident in that and will repot another time. I want to be ensuring the medium is a mid/dark brown year round then?

Great info on particular life cycles of my Paphs!

How often is best to feed in summer and also in winter?
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Old 03-03-2014, 11:24 AM
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The big multi-floral paphs that you have, require more light than the smaller, mottled leaf paph.. Increasing the light on those may get them to bloom.
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The shadow test is not ideal as light only comes from one side, but if I do it to the side I get a good shadow. I have them up against the window as neither sill gets full sun.

My CHC comes from a good source so confident in that and will repot another time. I want to be ensuring the medium is a mid/dark brown year round then?

Great info on particular life cycles of my Paphs!

How often is best to feed in summer and also in winter?
You don't want full sun to reach your orchids, especially not paphs.
I grow by window and shadow cast is a great way to see if you have enough light actually. Place your hand 30cm above your plant and see how sharp the shadow is.
Or any very bright location without direct sun hitting the plant is the best.

Different people have said different things about chc, but I have three specimen sized paphs growing in mainly chc with some other stuff mixed in for years now without repotting.

I do not feed very often, if ever. lol

Well, I would say feed very lightly every time you water during they are actively growing. Do not feed when they are not growing, which for me is midsummer when it is cooking hot here in my place.

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The big multi-floral paphs that you have, require more light than the smaller, mottled leaf paph.. Increasing the light on those may get them to bloom.
He has one maudiae type hybrid and two complex paphs, no multi.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:15 AM
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I think with some brighter light, more water and a little feed mine little fellas will be in good shape now.

Be lovely to see some pics of your paphs NYCorchidman!
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