From the fellow in Langley, silken superorchids on ebay. They had a heatpack but it was ice cold. I sent him a email but I think they are gone for christmas as all his listings are down. It was stated in the listing they were guaranteed with the heat pack but they weren't packed in a very effective way. The heat pack and plants were up against the edge of the box rather then in the middle insulated by the packing material. I might keep the masd. in spag until they stabilize at least and play with S/H on something a little more sturdy. I also need to get the masd. in a proper pot as everything i had on hand was too big so its in a temporary container. first thing i did with them was spray the roots with seaweed solution
The catt is in a coir/spag/perlite mix. It was the masd I was considering for S/H but since there in rough shape probably not a good idea. I think some of the roots on the catt will survive so maybe there is hope for it.