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Old 06-18-2016, 07:28 PM
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RandomGemini originated this thread with some questions. Among them were "What does water quality mean with respect to orchids?" It refers to how pure the water is and how acid the water is.

Minerals, mostly calcium and magnesium salts, are dissolved in ground water. Rain has few of these minerals, unless there was a lot of dust in the air. Minerals in water are commonly described with measurements called Total Dissolved Solids or TDS, hardness and alkalinity. Hard and/or alkaline water tends to have more calcium and magnesium in it. TDS does not measure which specific minerals are in the water, but it is almost always calcium and magnesium salts.

Epiphytic orchids tend to prefer water with low to very low TDS. Most of them are not adapted to water with higher salt content.

Ocean shore orchids, and a few from semi-desert areas, often can handle higher TDS in water, because they're adapted to being sprayed with salt water, or having alkaline and hard desert ground water.

Cloud forest orchids, and terrestrials from near streams, often need water even lower in TDS than some other orchids. Examples are many Pleurothallids, Paphs and Phrags. When watered with water high in TDS, these plants begin getting brown leaf tips, which spreads up the leaf until the leaf dries up and dies. This represents excessive salt accumulation in the leaves.

The other factor in water quality is the acidity of the water, measured in pH units. The pH scale runs from 1 to 14 and refers to solutions of things in water. You cannot measure the pH of a solid; only something dissolved in water. Lower numbers are more acid, and higher numbers more alkaline. Your stomach produces hydrochloric acid with a pH of 1. Lye, or sodium hydroxide, when dissolved in water, has a pH of around 14.

Pure water, with no carbon dioxide dissolved, has a pH of 7, and is considered neutral. Distilled water sitting on the shelf is slightly acid because of the atmospheric carbon dioxide dissolved in the water.

Most orchids (most plants in general) do best watered with a pH not too far from neutral. Well water, and most municipal water, has a relatively high pH, and is not always good for orchids. Fertilizer intended for use with tap water often brings the pH down and closer to neutral. Often the many dissolved minerals in water cause the pH to be high. There are plants with definite preferences for alkaline or acid water. Acid-loving plants tend to come from areas with a lot of humus on or in the soil, or in very wet, marshy areas. Alkaline-loving plants tend to come from deserts, like cacti and most succulents. Minerals don't wash away when rainfall is low.

The pH scale is logarithmic, meaning it does not increase at a constant rate: the difference in acidity from 2 to 3 pH units is not the same as the difference between 3 and 4 pH units.

The acidity of water increases 10 times when you move from one pH unit to the next lower number. Moving two pH units lower increases the acidity by a factor of 100. That is what is meant by a logarithmic scale. So, water with a pH of 6 contains 10 times the acid of water with a pH of 7, 100 times the acid of water with a pH of 8, and 1,000 times the acid of water with a pH of 9.

Dendrobium cuthbertsonii... I haven't grown it. But it seems to be a cloud forest orchid. This means it gets rain with very low total dissolved solids. Rain is normally slightly acidic due to dissolved carbon dioxide. It likely grows on patches of moss, which means it has an acid environment. So I would expect this plant to do poorly with most tap water, which is high in TDS and alkaline. Some municipalities have purer tap water, but this is not common.

You can read the water quality report for your tap water utility online. Here you will find the pH and mineral content of your tap water. If you are hoping to grow orchids with tap water, you need to be familiar with your tap water. I can't use my tap water for most of my orchids.
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Thanks e.seca, good explanation. I am growing more in rain water. Most people think den cuthbertsonii are hard to grow. I think they require good water and also they need the right amount and when. My plants are very small. I think once they get a bit bigger I might feel a little less anxious. It seems like they like to stay moist but if they are too moist they drop leaves, it's finding the balance and giving the right environment.
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Finally here are few photos of my D. Cuthbertsonii and few other PNG orchids.



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Wow, fantastic! Can you tell me about watering, temps ect? Thanks in advance.
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Thank you. I water mostly daily with rain water and fertilize now about once a month or even less often. Temps 22C daytime and 10C night time.

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One point that should be touched on is the indiscriminant use of the phrases "tap water" and "well water". My current tap water has a tds of 200. When I lived in NJ it was more like 50. A friend has a well. His tds is over 400ppm. My mother gets her water from a township well less than 5 miles away from my friend's, and her tds is around 300. A house I looked at in NH had well water between 20 and 30ppm. If you have municipal water, your supplier is legally obligated to provide the results of a very thorough analysis free of charge. If you have a private well you should have a lab analysis done, for your own sake let alone your plants. At the very least you can take a sample to any decent aquarium store and they can give pH, hardness, and alkalinity values. This is normally free. This is stuff everyone, not just plant growers should know.
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My rain water is about 25ppm.

---------- Post added at 08:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:06 AM ----------

Few months have passed and few more flowers have opened. Hope you will enjoy these photos.

Please use following link as photos are so difficult to upload. Dendrobium cuthbertsonii – Miniature Orchids
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