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Old 09-06-2013, 10:46 PM
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Im having a blast actually so yeah and this allows my creativity to really flow.
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Kelpak from firstrays.com (comes from kelp from the atlantic coast of South Africa)....doesn't smell that bad....I also have a liter of Maxicrop USA (seaweed that comes from Norway, it doesn't smell bad = its black like soysauce too....
I alternate it with worm tea mix ... and I just discovered two of my S/H pots have those worms you use as bait when I cleaned out the algae forming at the bottom....three or four in each pot(I don't know where it came from to reach my floor in the fire escape of a Manhattan apartment) and I know it is beneficial to my plants because it is giving me thick roots and robust leaves....I don't know if it is the worms or my fertilizer or my seaweed that is doing it....but I am not changing my regimen if it is working to make my orchids happy.
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Old 09-07-2013, 05:50 AM
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I use this in the UK, but it's probably not available in the USA. Great results and the smell is only very faint when you are poring it, and it's gone almost immediately.

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Old 09-07-2013, 06:06 AM
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The most important warning with seaweed extract is to ONLY use it according to the directions on the bottle. For me it was tempting to over-do it a bit in the beginning. It was organic and did not burn the plants etc, but overdoses of seaweed can put the plant into overdrive mode and have all sorts of surprising effects, from insane basal keiki production (which is kinda cool) to deformed flowers and weakening root formations (which you really, really want to avoid).
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...make sure the lid is tightly secured properly before you drive a bottle of the stuff home in the car. I found out the hard way earlier this year, took me weeks to get the revolting stench out from the upholstery....
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@AussieVanda O no. Mine wise sealed when I took the lid off. I did very carefully use this stuff since I never have used it b4
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...make sure the lid is tightly secured properly before you drive a bottle of the stuff home in the car. I found out the hard way earlier this year, took me weeks to get the revolting stench out from the upholstery....


Good tip, yuck.
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overdoses of seaweed can put the plant into overdrive mode and have all sorts of surprising effects, from insane basal keiki production (which is kinda cool) to deformed flowers and weakening root formations (which you really, really want to avoid).
I have to respectfully disagree. I've been using seaweed solution with every watering on my Phals for over a year now and have not observed any of the above abnormalities.
On the contrary, I was able to save and reestablish many of rather hopelessly looking Phals.

As for the smell, it does smell fishy or like an ocean.. but only if one puts her nose to the bottle. Nobody in the house ever noticed or commented otherwise.

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I have to respectfully disagree. I've been using seaweed solution with every watering on my Phals for over a year now and have not observed any of the above abnormalities.
On the contrary, I was able to save and reestablish many of rather hopelessly looking Phals.
It's great if you do not experience any unforeseen effects from seaweed. I suppose it can vary from plant to plant and grower to grower, and most definitely to what brand of seaweed extract that is being used.

In my greenhouse, the effects on the orchids have been mainly basal keikis on the phals. And lots of them. I have several phals with 3-4 crowns now, and I have only one that has flower issues and I suppose that could be from something else.

But I want to elaborate a bit on why I'm saying it's important to stick to the directions and dosages, and that takes me out of my little hobby greenhouse and onto the field or the nethouse where I spend most of my time.

We're commercial vegetable producers and use Kelpak on our seedlings and also to some extent on the crops on the field. We've been using it for years, but it was only last year that we decided to try to use it a bit more often on our seedlings.

It was actually Ray Barkalow in a thread somewhere here on OB that made me realize that the use of seaweed could be the reason for some of our seedling issues.

And when the representative of Kelpak in South Africa recently visited the farm, he confirmed my suspicion. He also confirmed that the seaweed extract could be the reason for the multiple basal keikis on the phalaenopsis.

I hope I'm getting this fairly right...

One of the things important to notice regarding seaweed extract is the auxins:cytokinins ratio. And for our purposes, we prefer a lot of auxins and less cytokinins.

Auxins encourage root growth and activate or trigger the production of the natural cytokinins that exists in the plants.

Cytokinins also help with root formation, but is more important for the leaf formation and whatever is happening over the ground.

An overdose of auxins (and it's pretty easy to overdose with Kelpak because it contains a lot of auxins compared to cytokinins) can halter or stop root growth because the signals the plant receives from the roots encourage it to grow foliage instead as a result of the increased cytokinins production in the system. So an overdose might re-direct the plant's energy from making roots that naturally will support foliar growth to leaf growth limited root development.

In the short run, you get amazing looking plants with very healthy foliage. In the long-run you might be making a plant that is...unbalanced because it makes too much leaves and not enough roots to support the greenery.

In our greenhouse where we're producing our vegetables seedlings, our seedlings looked amazing over the ground, but had very disappointing root balls. They in fact had so bad roots,we could not pull them out of the styrofoam seed tray without pushing from the bottom. This is sort of a measure for a producer and a good indication of the strength of the roots of the plant. They looked great, but in fact they were not strong seedlings.

The problem is, it starts off looking great! The roots are growing, the leaves are nice. All seems to be on track until the plant reaches some kind of critical threshold.

The Kelpak representative immediately gave his own product a large part of the blame for our fantastic looking seedlings with pathetic roots, and told us to reduce the application and not be tempted to add more than the suggested dosage on the bottle or to apply it more often than once every ten days. When the producer themselves tell you to hold back and reduce your consumption of something they're selling, you know there is a good reason for it.

After adjusting our seaweed usage on the seedlings, the root growth is perfect. Our seedlings develop nice, healthy root balls that can be easily pulled out of the seed trays. The foliage on the other hand, does not look so amazing anymore. It's fine, but they're not as happy looking as they were when we overdosed them on seaweed. What is important to us as producers though, is that they're healthier plants that cope better with transplant shock and that they are more resilient, and that have the necessary roots to support their foliage and grow good crops.

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Old 09-09-2013, 07:33 AM
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The impression I get from several sources is that it's not using it with every watering that's a problem, provided the concentration is right. It's using it too strong AND at every watering that can potentially cause problems.

I admit I DON'T use it all the time, but I started to in the spring then noticed strange looking new leaves on two phals. I stopped using it just in case but in both cases the leaves turned out to actually be normal and nothing to worry about. I think I'm going to to try again on a regular basis (because I forget if it's not every time) but ensure the concentration is not too high.
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