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Old 08-25-2013, 06:31 PM
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Thats the plan. I placed it in leca and it was sick when I got it. I have already cut off all dead roots thats my issue is the lack of roots on my catt.

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It has a keiki but no viable roots...
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I no longer use Superthrive. I know many who do use it. I view it kind of like the proverbial 'snake oil' treatment. I have the idea that something thats advertized as good for everything is basically good for nothing specific.

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Old 08-25-2013, 08:12 PM
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ok great info. I guess I just better say extra prayers, my catt and mini kick it up and do well
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ok great info. I guess I just better say extra prayers, my catt and mini kick it up and do well
Hi Kindra

Seriously - no pun intended - but the root of your question really is the roots on your plants, not Superthrive.

First question - can you post any pictures?

Second question - are there ANY viable roots on either plant, even if they are just little nubs?

Third question - is each plant still relatively well hydrated:

Phal - at least some leaves are still somewhat smooth or succulent? or Slightly wrinkled? or very wrinkled, thin, dessicated?

Catt - Pseudobulbs are probably ridged, but the plumper they are, the better chance the plant has to survive. if the plant has thin, leathery pseudobulbs, there is less chance it will recover.

If you really want to save the plants, you may be able to, with some effort. Here is what I suggest (this is a modification of "sphag & bag")

If you are in a humid part of Texas, you can do this outdoors in a shady area, otherwise it can be done indoors. Humidity outdoors may help, & may make the plastic bag unnecessary. If your outdoor humidity is low (big difference between Longview & Midland!), do this indoors.

Get a new clay pot for each plant - about the size that the root mass would be if the roots were still there.

Get a some new sphagnum moss (not been used on a plant before). Get a handful of it moist, wring out as much water as possible. Put the moss loosely in the bottom of the pot.

Set the base of the plant on top of the barely damp moss. Not down in the moss. You want the plant to send out roots to seek moisture.

If outdoors, Keep in a shaded location, but somewhere you will check on it every day or two.

If indoors, place a plastic bag loosely over the plant - like a tent. You want to keep the light low, but it should still get light - indirect, low light, not a windowsill.

Check the moisture of the moss every day or 2. try to keep it slightly damp, but not soaking wet. The clay pot will help with humidity - the clay will wick some of the moisture up & it will evaporate, making the air humid.

If this works, you will see root nubs form at the base of your Phal. With the Catt, if you have a newer growth without roots, roots will form there first. Or, one of the "eyes" on the Catt will sprout a new lead.

I have been doing this myself with some old, rootless and mostly leafless Catt back bulbs. They have sprouted 4 new leads that are now getting some roots.

If you do have some good roots, it may change the recommendations a bit, but this should also help plants that only have a few roots.

Hope this helps!
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Old 08-25-2013, 09:12 PM
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I cam def post pics.

On the catt there is possibly one root. I have spoke about this b4 when I originally got the 2 one was really sick w black rot. So it has not had a great start.

My mini phal is a project/rescue I had found in march
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I would say it can be pretty dry around here not midland dry by any stretch but no where near the humidity of say galveston. Where I live is 6 hours to any large body of water. Like Galveston
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I cam def post pics.

On the catt there is possibly one root. I have spoke about this b4 when I originally got the 2 one was really sick w black rot. So it has not had a great start.

My mini phal is a project/rescue I had found in march
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I would say it can be pretty dry around here not midland dry by any stretch but no where near the humidity of say galveston. Where I live is 6 hours to any large body of water. Like Galveston
OK, first let's talk about the Phal. It seems to have at least one viable root (maybe more?) I would not change the pot, etc. to the modified sphag & bag at this point, but I would loosely "tent" the plant & pot with a plastic bag, lower light until it recovers. You do not want it to be wet all the time, but you want the medium to dry a bit (to "just damp") before watering again, never completely drying out.

The Catt is potted way too deep. There is a horizontal "stem" (called the rhizome) that runs between pseudobulbs. It should always be above the growing medium (in my experience, rhizomes below the medium tend to rot). There is a sprout - that is good. If there are no roots right now, re-pot with that rhizome above the medium, or try the modified sphag & bag.

For both plants, be sure the water you are using is good (low total dissolved solids, or TDS). Bad water can easily kill roots & your plant over time; there is both good water and bad water in Texas.

If you are on city water, your city utility department can tell you the TDS value in milligrams per liter, = mg/L (call them and ask). TDS should be lower than 200. Another good number is to ask about electrical conductivity (EC; ask them the units of measurement - probably millisiemens/cm (mS/cm), micro siemens/cm (µS/cm), or decisiemens/m (dS/m). The conversion for all these units are 1000 µmhos = 1000 µS/cm=1 mmhos = 1 mS/cm = 1 dS/m. You want EC to be 0.2 mS/cm = 200 µS/cm, or lower.

If you are on a well, find your local Cooperative Extension office (sometimes called the county agent), often they can run a water test for you for not too much money.

Good luck!
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:39 PM
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Okay I will pull it up a little. Hopefully since I put it outside it will continue doing well.

The mini phal has only 2 roots one under one out. The other died...
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Okay here is how it looks post pull up. A

Also does this potting method go towards dendrobiums as well? Or are they different? I noticed the base of the den look somewhat similar to catt.
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Okay here is how it looks post pull up. A

Also does this potting method go towards dendrobiums as well? Or are they different? I noticed the base of the den look somewhat similar to catt.
I'll let someone else comment on Dendrobiums. I have very few of those (only one actually).
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