Need so advice for this sick phal :(

[KultureShock]

Hello everyone, i'm attempting to nurse this sick phal back to health the old fashioned way without any hormones and was wondering if i could get some tips, and opinions on the odds of survival for this poor lady.

Some info on the plant:
I bought this Noid Phalaenopsis about a month ago from a local plant shop and it was plant in pure sphagnum. So i decided to re-pot it when i got home because i have never had much luck with sphagnum moss, ( i use this moss that grows locally not sure what it's called but it's extremely well aerated and dry's every 3 days. i will post a picture in an hour or two.) and when i took it out of it's pot all of the sphagnum was black and rotting in the center as were the root's after i cut off the rotted roots all that remained were the aerial roots. i now have it suspended above water in a baby food jar misting it with kelp spray every couple of days, hoping that it will come back to life. A couple of days ago the one leaf started to turn yellow and is now completely yellow and shriveled. the other leaf look light green in a couple patched but is otherwise firm and healthy despite the drooped appearance as is the small top leaf the top leaf is completely green with no fading. Also a couple of mutated roots have started to grow really slowly i think you can see them in the picture i posted below.






Thanks in advance i really appreciate it. Oh yea and what are the odds of it flowering again in the next year if it does survive?
Best regards,
Kevin Disher

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[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Don't count on it blooming the next year. If it happens, great. If it doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised. In fact, if it did bloom the next year, I'd probably advise to remove the spike asap depending on the circumstances.

It might be salvageable, but the odds are not in its favor.

Try keeping in a warm and humid environment and see what happens.

I do see new growth (maybe roots) trying to push out of the nodes along the stem. The odds of the new growth making it to full grown roots is questionable.

I know it doesn't sound very encouraging, but go ahead and try to see if you'll have any luck getting this to return to full glory.

When I get plant like this, I usually don't cut all the roots but just peel away mushy stuff leaving inner strings on. They help to anchor plant in the pot. Then I pot it into smallest possible clay pot with fresh clean sphagnum moss and keep it warm. I water it when sphag becomes crusty.
I saved number of phals with such method. Sometimes they start to grow a leaf instead of roots first. Then those leaves are much smaller than the previous ones. It takes time and patience.
Good luck with your phal.

[Cym Ladye]

Your photos do not show the actual crown. If it has rotted, the plant has little to no chance of surviving. If not, and there are new root nodes showing, there is a chance of survival, but unless this is a $100 plant, it is not worth the time and effort with a wait for several years to see bloom. Give it a fond farewell, and buy a new one.

CL

[Wynn Dee13]

I would toss it unless its very special to you. NoID Phals are all over the place. Easy to buy a new one. You say you see some mutated roots growing slowly but from what I can see in your pics there are no active root tips growing. The two longest roots might still be alive (they are not growing though) but all the other roots and nubs are old dead roots and won't grow. This plant needs to grow some new roots fast for it to survive. Good luck if you decide to try and save it.

[KultureShock]

Thanks fr all the reply's it isn't really special to me just has really nice flowers compared to most of my phal's but if it doesnt make it , it doesnt make it. i think i'm going to try anyways. The growing tips are the ones with small bright green tips right? if so one of the aerial roots and one of the bottom roots have these tips.

[Stray59]

Kultureshock:
I have nursed plants in similar shape back, but have lost my share also. The best way that I know of to draw the roots out is to increase the humidity directly on the roots and especially on the root nodes. I have wrapped sterile sphagnum moss around the stem and tied it in place, and then kept it damp, but not wet, most of the time. Keep it warm and out of direct light and this should induce the roots to grow quicker.
I have successfully saved phalaenopsis, vandas, and reed-stemmed epidendrums in this way, but like I say I have lost quite a few.
I make sure and use fungicide on it to keep any mold from forming.
Best of luck -
Steve

[james mickelso]

But this is a living being. We tend to throw away that which we have to put time into and that may give us a reward in the future but not now. Wrap this in long fiber spagnum moss wrapped with string. Hang it somewhere bright but not direct sunlight and keep moist but not wet. I would douse it with some rootone before wrapping it up. If you can get this to put out new root(s) and a new leaf, the chances are good that it will put out a flower in less than a yeAR. I've done it many times with less potential than this. I have a couple rescues in the green house right now. I would at least give this living thing a chance. What would it cost you? A little time? Care? The cost would be so little and possibly a nice reward in the furture. Are we so shallow we can't give a little? Hmmm.

[KultureShock]

Originally Posted by james mickelso

But this is a living being. We tend to throw away that which we have to put time into and that may give us a reward in the future but not now. Wrap this in long fiber spagnum moss wrapped with string. Hang it somewhere bright but not direct sunlight and keep moist but not wet. I would douse it with some rootone before wrapping it up. If you can get this to put out new root(s) and a new leaf, the chances are good that it will put out a flower in less than a yeAR. I've done it many times with less potential than this. I have a couple rescues in the green house right now. I would at least give this living thing a chance. What would it cost you? A little time? Care? The cost would be so little and possibly a nice reward in the furture. Are we so shallow we can't give a little? Hmmm.

i was already planning on doing my best to help it but this is encouraging thank you i will have hope for this little girl yet. I am seriously considering giving her a 15 minute dunk in a 3ppm paclobutrazol(a Triazole Fungicide) solution though as their is a bit of mold developing on the root stalk and i have been finding quite a bit of evidence suggesting that paclobutrazol can in those amounts give you a much higher chance of root's developing while increasing resistance to drought, cold and fungal disease

http://hortsci.ashspublications.org/...4/285.full.pdf this is one study i found supporting this it is done with in-vitro plants though so who know's if my results will be the same.

p.s. there is also mention of another study inside of the one above that is more focused on the root growth factor and synergistic effects it has with auxins and cytokinins.

[KultureShock]

I have 2 new roots that just burst out of the base of the plant just under the lowest leave!!!!!! I think i might have a chance of saving this girl after all! Not sure whether it was the paclobutrazol or the Kelp spray that made it start growing roots but it could very well have been both. Paclobutrazol is supposed to have synergistic effects with auxins.... I know for sure it would have died without the paclobutrazol though because prior to application their was a thick white fuzzy mold growing all over the base of the plant where the roots were emerging from and at the rate it was growing would have quickly devoured the plant. So not guaranteed or anything but i personally think this should be explored more thoroughly as i believe that Paclobutrazol had a big part to do with the plant starting to recover. Even if it didn't stimulate root growth it provided the protection from infection that it needed to get the job done.