Is this normal?

[mattryan]

I have a question about my Nobile Den. It bloomed for me over the summer which I thought was surprising considering it was in bloom when I got it in the spring. It is making flowers again for me on 4 canes, now my question is. I thought canes only bloomed once, but this den is making flowers from a already bloomed cane. It this normal, or have I just lucked out with this den? It is named so I can post if anyone wants to know. Thanks for the help.

Cheryl

p.s. I am fairly certain these aren't keiki's as I stopped all fert and watering months ago except for spraying medium when I think of it, also it has been kept in an unheated room since it got too cold outside.

[WhiteRabbit]

I only have one nobile, and for only a year, but do know that many types of dens can bloom multiple times on the same cane.

[NYCorchidman]

Nobile hybrids normally bloom once in the spring time and the canes that bloomed before generally do not bloom again.
Now there are exceptions. If for some reason, the cane did not make flowers on every possible nodes along its length, then those unbloomed nodes sometimes pop up some flowers the following season.

Now, blooming throughout the year, nobiles take temperature drop as a cue for blooming.
Some are more sensitive than others. You are up in Ontario, so even cool summer nights can be enough to trigger them to bloom.
I found one hybrids are more prone to year round bloom than others.

[mattryan]

Thanks for the replies I have another question. Is it too soon to resume regular watering. I am not sure if these buds are far enough along or not, I did not do any cool dry during the summer when it bloomed and I got lots of flowers. If I should just continue misting for how much longer or should I water say once per month. Sorry for all the questions, but everything I've read says not to resume watering until buds have progressed (?). Thanks again for the help

Cheryl

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[NYCorchidman]

How has your watering been with your nobiles? I don't really give nobile hybrids any dry rest. Many people wrongly understand dry rest as really bone dry period, which does not happen in their habitat. They still receive lots of moisture everyday in the form of early morning due. The air is very humid at all times.


With the size of the buds in your picture, it will be about two months away before they flower. but then again, it all depends on the temperature.

They don't need dry rest. Just makes sure they stay moist not soggy wet when the temperature does down under 10C. too much moisture when cold can cause root rots. so water or mist heavily in the morning and make sure the drainage is excellent.

[silken]

Several of my nobile dens are in bud also. To me yours look like buds but I have been fooled before One of mine had a bloom or two on the same cane that is now in bud with quite a few more. I find it early compared to other years. I don't know if yours need watering yet, but I would just keep it minimal a bit longer till you are sure they are buds. I think at some point they can change to keikis if treated too well.

I was doing the NO water from Halloween to Valentine's as some people say for a few years now. I usually got blooms, but very few. Terry from Forestview said I would get more blooms if I stopped feeding completely in late summer and cut down on watering in the fall but still give them enough to keep the canes from shrivelling too much. So I took that approach this year and have more 'buds' than I have seen before. It may not be spectacular, but better than previous for sure!

[NYCorchidman]

Again, they don't need "dry" rest. In the wild, they never stay dry even in the winter.
Drying can negatively affect them from not enough flower to near death.
Flowers are mostly made up of water anyway like everything is!
Water is the key! just in the right amount at the right time.

[mattryan]

Thanks for the help. I was watering it normally during the summer (keeping it moist), but cut way down on the water and no fert. since Sept 1st. I have been misting the medium maybe once/week since then. Everything that I read told me that. So can I water at the same rate as say my phals then, when approaching dryness and not get a tonne of keiki's? I never kept it dry over the summer and got lots of flowers, here's a pic. Thanks again for the help.

Cheryl

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[Orchid126]

If you're in doubt, give the plant only baby sips of water rather than drenching it. There are some nobiles around that don't need the dry rest, especially those hybridized by Yammamoto. But unless you know for sure you have one of them, be stingy with the water in the shorter days. Mist them heavily as NYCorchidman suggests, because they enjoy lots of humidity even though their roots are dry. And as he also says, they like to be cold at this time. I usually go from Thanksgiving til the end of January or after blooming with this routine, go back to heavy watering and fertilizing from April to September, when everything stops again.

[james mickelso]

This looks like a keiki. I too was excited when mine started out like this. Oh boy oh joy. But alas it was a keiki. But that is a good thing!!! More plants. When this, and the others that will come along soon, have roots around 2-3 inches long, cut them off and pot them up. They will bloom next season. Congrats.