When is an orchid considered a species?

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Originally Posted by camille1585

So the 'x' means that leucorrhoda was formed by 2 species? How do you know which they are? And if that's correct, if you make the cross yourself in cultivation, does the hybrid get names x leucorrhoda, or is it given a 'proper' hybrid name?

Yes, at first it was difficult to confirm, but Phal x leucorrhoda is supposed to be a natural hybrid.

If memory serves correct, (if I'm wrong, somebody can post the correction), the 2 species that make up Phal x leucorrhoda are said to be:

1.) Phal amabilis
2.) Phal stuartiana


If memory serves me correctly, (again, if I'm wrong, somebody can post the correction), Phal x gernotii is said to be a natural hybrid between:

1.) Phal amboinensis
2.) Phal venosa


If these hybrids were artificially made, I don't know how the naming would go...

[Paul Mc]

WOW!!!! That's fascinating!

[lambelkip]

Originally Posted by King_of_orchid_growing:)

If memory serves correct, (if I'm wrong, somebody can post the correction), the 2 species that make up Phal x leucorrhoda are said to be:

1.) Phal amabilis
2.) Phal stuartiana

That cross is Phal Leda (one of the oldest man made Pal hybrids)

Phal x leucorrhoda (and the man made version Phal Leucorrhoda) are a cross of Phal aphrodite (easily confused with Phal amabilis) and Phal schilleriana (easily confused with Phal stuartiana)

Originally Posted by King_of_orchid_growing:)

If memory serves me correctly, (again, if I'm wrong, somebody can post the correction), Phal x gernotii is said to be a natural hybrid between:

1.) Phal amboinensis
2.) Phal venosa

I can't find any record of a Phal x gernotii, or of any natural cross of those two species. Is it possible that your plant is Phal x gersenii?
The man made hybrid of amboinensis and venosa is Phal Ambonosa

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Originally Posted by lambelkip

That cross is Phal Leda (one of the oldest man made Pal hybrids)

Phal x leucorrhoda (and the man made version Phal Leucorrhoda) are a cross of Phal aphrodite (easily confused with Phal amabilis) and Phal schilleriana (easily confused with Phal stuartiana)

Ok. Yeah, that's correct. I didn't quite remember, but I knew it was a white Phal crossed with a well known mottle leaf.

So the correct cross for Phal x leucorrhoda is:

Phal aphrodite x Phal schilleriana

Originally Posted by lambelkip

I can't find any record of a Phal x gernotii, or of any natural cross of those two species. Is it possible that your plant is Phal x gersenii?
The man made hybrid of amboinensis and venosa is Phal Ambonosa

Maybe I spelled it wrong or something. There is a natural cross with Phal venosa in it. I don't recall if it was Phal amboinensis or another one of its close relatives.

Oak Hill Gardens had some for sale a long while ago.

Phal gersenii is a completely different cross (Phal violacea x Phal sumatrana).

[Call_Me_Bob]

Originally Posted by King_of_orchid_growing:)

Yes, at first it was difficult to confirm, but Phal x leucorrhoda is supposed to be a natural hybrid.

If memory serves correct, (if I'm wrong, somebody can post the correction), the 2 species that make up Phal x leucorrhoda are said to be:

1.) Phal amabilis
2.) Phal stuartiana


If memory serves me correctly, (again, if I'm wrong, somebody can post the correction), Phal x gernotii is said to be a natural hybrid between:

1.) Phal amboinensis
2.) Phal venosa


If these hybrids were artificially made, I don't know how the naming would go...

i think everyone has answered the original question very well (asside from random unprovoked attacks...)

phillip, i have a question about the natural hybrids! is it

A) Phalaenopsis Xleucorrhoda
B) Phalaenopsis X leucorrhoda
OR
C) Phalaenopsis Xleucorrhoda

?

also, there is another phal natural hybrid, its Phal Xintermedia that is P. aphrodite XP. equestris. the man made hybrid name is Phal. Intermedia

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

I don't always do the italics, sometimes it's just too bothersome. That's not really the thing that confuses people the most anyways.

Whether it is:

Phal. x leucorrhoda

or

Phal. xleucorrhoda

I'm not 100% certain, but I would think it is the former:

Phal. x leucorrhoda

The latter just looks confusing, and people may confuse it for another letter in the species name.

[Call_Me_Bob]

Originally Posted by King_of_orchid_growing:)

Yes, at first it was difficult to confirm, but Phal x leucorrhoda is supposed to be a natural hybrid.

If memory serves correct, (if I'm wrong, somebody can post the correction), the 2 species that make up Phal x leucorrhoda are said to be:

1.) Phal amabilis
2.) Phal stuartiana


If memory serves me correctly, (again, if I'm wrong, somebody can post the correction), Phal x gernotii is said to be a natural hybrid between:

1.) Phal amboinensis
2.) Phal venosa


If these hybrids were artificially made, I don't know how the naming would go...

Originally Posted by King_of_orchid_growing:)

I don't always do the italics, sometimes it's just too bothersome. That's not really the thing that confuses people the most anyways.

Whether it is:

Phal. x leucorrhoda

or

Phal. xleucorrhoda

I'm not 100% certain, but I would think it is the former:

Phal. x leucorrhoda

The latter just looks confusing, and people may confuse it for another letter in the species name.

thats what i wasnt sure about... i actually have christensons book Phalaenopsis: A Monograph sitting next to me, let me see how he does it... hahahah

he does it like.. Phalaenopsis Xveitchiana

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Bud

look up the meaning of "invasive"= if you are not native to the land...the scientific name they coined for forreign plants is: invasive meaning invaded the territory...it not a term I invented...I just read about it in botanical books...

In this case, Kavanaru was correct. Plants that are not native to an area are referred to as introduced or exotic. Invasive describes a plant's weed status. No, I didn't need to read this in a botanical book. I did my PhD in a biological sciences department and actually listened to botanists prattle on endlessly about the subject.

[lambelkip]

Originally Posted by King_of_orchid_growing:)

Maybe I spelled it wrong or something. There is a natural cross with Phal venosa in it. I don't recall if it was Phal amboinensis or another one of its close relatives.

Oak Hill Gardens had some for sale a long while ago.

It might be spelled right. Neither Kew or the RHS has a record of any natural hybrid involving venosa, so it may just be a recently discovered hybrid. Phal venosa itself was not discovered until 1983

Originally Posted by Call_Me_Bob

i think everyone has answered the original question very well (asside from random unprovoked attacks...)

phillip, i have a question about the natural hybrids! is it

A) Phalaenopsis Xleucorrhoda
B) Phalaenopsis X leucorrhoda
OR
C) Phalaenopsis Xleucorrhoda

?

it's traditionally a multiplication sign, not the letter x:
Phalaenopsis ×leucorrhoda

if you can't type the multiplication sign, or you're worried that it might not show up properly on other peoples computers, type the letter x with a space after it:
Phalaenopsis x leucorrhoda

for naturally occuring plants, the rules are defined in the International Code of Nomenclature for algae, fungi, and plants

for man-made hybrids and named clones, the rules are defined in the International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants

[kavanaru]

Originally Posted by Bud

Ramon and The Molly creature have been known to have attacked me or have been harassing me in several occations on reasons beyond my comprehension. So if I see them I am always on a deffensive attack..

WTF? Guy, you better relax and put your paranoia aside! No one has attacked you here at all.. I was just correcting some wrong information you had posted (in this thread and in your Cycnoches chlorochilon thread)... only that! and yes, in both cases you were and are wrong! as you said, read the books first (but please, not only reading them, try to understand them as well!... ok, I must admit, this last sentence can be understood as aggressive, I would call it more a sarcastic fact )

if you become defensive/aggressive when you see us here, then you really have a problem, and I would suggest asking for professional help!

as for the others, sorry for the stupid direction this discussion has taken... this is my last reply to Bud on this thread...