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Old 04-09-2011, 07:19 PM
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This guy used all charcoal:
..::How to repot a festive season purchased Phalaenopsis::..

I'll try to find diatomite or LECA.

So do you think I can mix the rocks with bark? At what ratio?

And if I don't find good rocks do you think the best would be to use 100% bark?
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Old 04-09-2011, 07:25 PM
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If the person has had long term success with growing Phals in charcoal, you could try it out. But you gotta be willing to take the risk, because I don't know how well it works. Not many people have tried that method, nor have there been many accounts of people reporting their successes with this method should it have worked.

Another member here has used rice hulls for growing Phals. You might wanna inquire about that.

If you mix charcoal and perlite with bark, the ratio can be broken down in thirds.
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Come to think of it...

You might have tons of this material available where you are...

Coconut husk chips.
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Old 04-09-2011, 07:39 PM
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Now that I looked for some pictures of the coconut husk chips, I think that's actually what I have on my Phal right now.
They're really very broken down, though. There aren't much of the "chips" left.
Does bark break down as easily as the coconut husk?
If it does I guess the only improvement I can do here is to really use some rocks along with it, or else leave it alone and keep changing the coconut husk every time the phal goes out of bloom...
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Old 04-10-2011, 12:27 AM
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Another rock not mentioned above is lava rock, which has some porosity, which is good for root attachments and to retain moisture for a short while.

I use it like charcoal or perlite. It tends to be a little larger chunk and provides good aeration when growing in wet conditions. For dryer growing species I sometimes use straight lava as a media, but for others I sometimes will mix a few chunks in my bark mix -if I feel the particular plant needs a little more rapid drying.

The disadvantage is that, like all porous materials it will easily build up salts from your water and fertilizer over time. Our rainy season does a great job of flushing these, but by the end of dry season I start to worry.
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Old 04-10-2011, 01:39 AM
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I'll try to go buy some new media tomorrow, we'll see what rocks I can find.
One more question: since I'll repot it in bloom, should I still cut off the dead roots? I ask that because everywhere I look it says I should be as gentle as possible with the roots when repotting in bloom, and just cutting them off doesn't seem that gentle... I also read somewhere that sometimes you should keep the dead roots, which would serve as a bit of organic media.
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The dead roots are dead. They are just a source of further infection. Cut them off.

I usually do not have bud blast when repotting phals, but when a plant has gotten used to wetter conditions and suddenly is put into dryer media it has a tough time adapting. Sometimes even roots that were solid die. If the plant is in active growth it will produce new roots sooner. If the plant is not in active growth you have to just hope for the best.

If your medium is decomposed the plant would die anyway so at least it has a chance.

If the roots are in really bad shape when you open it up, I would lean towards cutting the spike. The plant will need all of its energy to even survive. Only if the roots look pretty good would I start to worry about bud blast. If in fact the roots are healthy, you wont have a problem unless you over manipulate them and break quite a few.

Post pictures when you get into the thick of it. Good luck.
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One more question: since I'll repot it in bloom, should I still cut off the dead roots? I ask that because everywhere I look it says I should be as gentle as possible with the roots when repotting in bloom, and just cutting them off doesn't seem that gentle...
As BobInBonita has said, dead roots are dead roots. Cutting dead roots off will not affect the plant adversely. Damaging or cutting living roots off will.

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I also read somewhere that sometimes you should keep the dead roots, which would serve as a bit of organic media.
I disagree with this statement on certain points.

First of all, if there is a recommendation to keep the dead roots on, I would think that it'd be for the purposes of keeping the plant properly anchored into the potting medium if a large portion of the plant's roots are dead. It makes it easier to grow the plant in a pot, for example, if the plant was 10 cm tall with only 3 living roots that are 3 cm long on it. How many dead roots to leave on the plant in relation to the amount of living roots that are on the plant, and how long the living roots are, is really at the grower's discretion. My recommendation is to keep as few of the dead roots on, while allowing them to serve their purpose of anchoring the plants in the pot.

Secondly, keeping the dead roots on the plant for the purposes of having organics in there is not necessarily the most efficient practice. The amount of nutrients the plant would derive from the dead roots is pretty negligible. If you have even a vague understanding of the way that dead epiphytical orchid roots decay, you'll find that the claim you speak of doesn't hold up.

Thirdly, those dead roots carry the risk of causing further problems with the living roots if there are too much of those that are left on the plant.

Some problems are:

1. Root rot from too much water retention. That mass of dead roots acts like a mop - it sops up water and doesn't really do anything with it.

2. Root rot from infection. That can be a breeding ground for diseases if the plant is allowed to have too many dead roots hanging on it in cultivation.

3. Further root damage from insects such as fungus gnats. That is a perfect breeding spot for fungus gnats! Lots of dead roots = lots of fungus for the fungus gnats! Fungus gnats will also eat living roots for desert.


If I must absolutely have dead roots remaining on my epiphytical orchids, I usually remove a large number of dead roots, but keep what I think is the bare minimum amount needed to keep the plant anchored in the pot. I don't like having too many dead roots on the plant as much as possible.


For terrestrial orchids, leaving dead roots on is of lesser consequence. They're usually in varying amounts of organic matter in various levels of decay.
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I'm new to orchids. I have 3 phala now. One plant has green roots but all leaves (6) are wilting, not yellow. I think it was underwatered. Is there a way to revive the leaves? I read that once the leaves all die and if there's no leaves the plant will survive. Thanks for your advice
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I'm new to orchids. I have 3 phala now. One plant has green roots but all leaves (6) are wilting, not yellow. I think it was underwatered. Is there a way to revive the leaves? I read that once the leaves all die and if there's no leaves the plant will survive. Thanks for your advice
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