I.D. Please

[Izzie]

Untagged species phals, amabilis or not, aren't as common as you think.
In any case, it's quite possible that it has some amabilis or aphrodite, as they are very often used in hybrids.
Without a tag, you can only safely call it a Noid.

[CTB]

You guys are great, here is a little closer look at the center, only place where there's any color.

[Izzie]

It's lovely, and looks like it could indeed have amabilis, perhaps even aphrodite parentage.
But as most of us have said, it's a very lovely noid.
Which is just fine! Some of my best 'chids are noids.

[Izzie]

The first few pictures in my album here are of my phal that is tagged as P. amabilis var formosa- which we are still in debate over whether it's actually P. aphrodite var formosa, since they're practically synonymous with a couple differences.
http://www.orchidboard.com/community...-teachers.html

You can see how the side lobes and colors are somewhat different from yours.

[CTB]

I think we are getting close, with P amabilis, I am including closer shot of throat. Thanks for your help.

[Izzie]

There's no way to tell. There are hundreds of thousands of hybrids out there, and without a tag from the seller, you just can't tell.
The most we can say, is that it is likely that it has P. amabilis in it's background- but quite hybridized. The color and side-lobes are off.
You could call it Phalaenopsis 'amabilis mix' or something. Check out http://www.orchidboard.com/community...eed-names.html

[Izzie]

Here's a great post from that thread about "white phals":

Originally Posted by kavanaru

to be honest, that way you can only guess a possible name of an hybrid. especially for Phalaenopsis, you can find hundreds of hybrids that look more or less 'exactly' the same... e.g. google 'Phalaenopsis white' could you say with 100% certainty what is the difference between Phal. Kinu White Bear, Phal. Tiny White, Phal. Sogo White, Phal. Orglade's Toast, Phal. Cygnus, and Phal. White Wedding? (just to mention a few)... And don't think the number of flowers per spike, or the length or number of the spike can help - these can be also variable within the same hybrid...

especies are a bit easier to identify this way, but it is also not always possible (unless you are a 'profi' on the genus... ) but hybrids... wow!!!!

The best you cando is just be happy with your NOID and provide it a nice name of your own, à la: Phal. "NO IDea what it is"

just my

[ronaldhanko]

Originally Posted by CTB

I think we are getting close, with P amabilis, I am including closer shot of throat. Thanks for your help.

To put the name Phal amabilis on this plant without clear evidence from the seller is irresponsible. Especially with species such as Phal amabilis the labelling of plants as a certain species just because someone "thinks" that's what it is, or because it looks like that species causes endless confusion in the judging system and in the breeding of new hybrids. We have a noid white Phal here at home that looks almost exactly like this that I know cannot be amabilis because of its source - one of the growers for the mass market.

[Izzie]

Originally Posted by ronaldhanko

To put the name Phal amabilis on this plant without clear evidence from the seller is irresponsible. Especially with species such as this one the labelling of plants as a certain species just because someone "thinks" that's what it is, or because it looks like that species causes endless confusion in the judging system and in the breeding of new hybrids. We have a noid white Phal here at home that looks almost exactly like this that I know cannot be amabilis because of its source - one of the growers for the mass market.

Well put- what I've been wanting to say all along.

[CTB]

Thanks for your help, I guess I should have posted this under the I.D. forum, I wasn't trying to be irresponsible or confuse any judges, or make a bogus name tag, I was tryng to find someone who had this one and could give me a name so I could try to purchase another for my Mother who fell in love with this one because of its size, and pure color.