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Old 10-14-2008, 09:52 PM
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Hi,
I have a new orchid room....it's 9x9x10' with 2-4', 4 bulb, high output T5 flouresent grow lights. At 24", the heat on my leaves is approx. 87-90 degrees, so I cannot bring the bulbs any closer to the plants in order to get the footcandles I need without burning the leaves. Since I need to cool the temperature down, I have been checking to see what my options might be. Has anyone had any experience with an evaporative cooler (swamp cooler)....or do you have any more ideas? If so, I would appreciate your thoughts.
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:47 AM
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:44 PM
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Hi Ross,
I already have a large floor oscillating fan inside the room (I'm sorry, I should have mentioned that in my question post). The room has no windows and adjoins the garage. When the grow room temperature gets extremely hot, I have to open the door and place an extra fan there in the garage facing the inside of the grow room.....another large floor oscillating fan. That leads to another concern: I also have a humidfier in the grow room, but it can't keep the humidity up in the room as high as it should if I have to open the door into the garage. I have been trying to research evaporative coolers online, and have found they are used in greenhouses, but I didn't know if one would be suitable for such a small area as my grow room. I had in mind a small portable one, but I wanted input from all of you before I purchased one.
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:31 PM
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Hi Vicki...I have the same t-5 lights that Ross has, in fact two banks of 4 lights directly over 2 grow tables. I also have blasting sun from a big East facing window until noon. I have a ceiling fan on 24/7. My chids have acclimated to my conditions. I'll take a few pics for you and post later.
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:54 PM
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Here's a few pics:












Vicki try placing your orchids from the ones needing the highest light Catts ect. in the middle of the light where it is the brightest. You can see i have catts in sheath right now if you look closely. Place your lower light chids, Phals, Paphs ect around the perimeter of your area. Also the ends of the lights are not as intense and is a good place for lower light chids. I have some catt mounts just a few inches from the ends of the light and they do not burn. I know these lights seem scary bright but experiment with the placement of your orchids and hopefully you will love them as much as I do. Good luck!

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Old 10-15-2008, 02:47 PM
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Vanessa, how do you like the smell of that Masdie striatella? Different, eh?
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Old 10-15-2008, 03:10 PM
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Different is right Ross. How would you describe it?

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Old 10-15-2008, 03:35 PM
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Vicky,
You said that your room is 9X9X10' And the temp gets to 90 F. Do you have any way to vent the heat in the room such as vents up close to the ceiling? If not I would put at least 2 in one on each side of the room since heat rises. If you use fan vent with a thermostats you can control the temp of the whole room but you need to be able to cover them in the winter to keep the cold drafts out. Home Depot has such fans for around $72 each and the outside lovers that open when the fan starts blowing for around 35-50 each. In a closed room the heat will build up quickly and it needs to be vented once vented it should drop to around 75-80F around the plants. If you want to build a cheap swamp cooler and you already have a small fountain run it with a fan in front of it that should raise the humidity some also. Just using the fan and no venting you are just pushing the warm air around.
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Old 10-15-2008, 03:58 PM
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Kona's Gold has a great idea about the ceiling vents. My room is 13X13 and has a ceiling vent for heat and air (which I keep closed in the winter and only partially open in the warm months). The room is also open to the rest of the house so maybe that along with the fact I must lose heat from the window is why mine is not as warm as yours...Plus the majority of homes in my area are up to hurricane code and that means the construction is concrete block under stucco which keeps the cool air in and the warm air out (which is why it seems as cold as a witche's ( ) breath down here in Dec and Jan.

Wish I could have been more help to you. Best of luck!
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:01 PM
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The secret with t5 lights (based on more than a year of concentrated experimentation and study) is to control the heat before it becomes a problem. What I mean is, the bulbs run at 95 degrees F. That's a part of the technology. On top of that you are adding heat to ambient room temps. The cooler the ambient temps are, the less affect the tubes have (even though they still emit light at 95 degrees F.)

With that background, there may be some options. In winter, the added heat can work to your advantage (even though you don't need much, you still need some.) In summer is when we need to cool the air or evacuate the heat. The reason I said fans is that's how I deal with the heat. But I chose a different method. An oscillating fan really doesn't do anything except stir up the air (temperature averaging ) which doesn't help with ambient temps in the 90s. Evacuating the warm air and replacing with cooler air is the goal.

This is my solution. Small fans directed at the fixture.

Now, how can we (you) do this? Kona gave you some great recommendations that should be considered strongly. I have my problem area in a basement and open the windows during the night to cool down the basement, run fans to direct the coolest air toward the tank (takes 4 small desk fans to do this) and shut down a couple during the day. If there is some way to evacuate the heat from the room (not spread it around) that will help. I'm thinking of supplies that hydroponics (and marijuana) growers need, because of the same problems with their hot lights.

Grow room and green house exhaust fans and filters at Sunburst Hydroponics

But you can only reduce temps around your orchids to outside ambient temps unless you cool the air somehow. Perhaps "swamp coolers" or even room air conditioning? Swamp coolers work best in dry climates like Arizona, not in humid areas like yours, so don't expect great cooling. Bringing in air from a cooler shaded area (outside) would work. Your goal shouldn't be 60 degrees when ambient temps are 90s. Not possible without mega airconditioning. Most plants we grow can tolerate up to the mid 80s with no problem. Even my Dracs tolerate this even though they prefer 60s. Hope this longish post gives you some things to ponder. Let us know how you decide to go. Lucky thing is, you're coming up to some cooler weather and the solution may be a ways off.

A last thought (thus the edit.) Even in warm climates like yours, evening temps tend to be a bit cooler. Can you rig up a system to cool the orchid room at night via fans (even big ones) and close this off during the day to eliminate the sun's warming?

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