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Old 10-15-2008, 07:30 PM
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As they are fluorescents, I would guess that the heat is more from the ballast than from radiation.

Have you tested the temperature with the lamps lower or higher?
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:05 PM
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As they are fluorescents, I would guess that the heat is more from the ballast than from radiation.

Have you tested the temperature with the lamps lower or higher?
Ray, with t5's, the heat is from the tubes, not the ballasts (as one might expect.)
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Hi Vanessa!
Thanks for the ideas....and for sharing your pictures! You have a really nice setup and your orchids look soooo healthy! After seeing your plants, then looking at mine, I would feel embarressed for you to see them. I have quite a few, but many of them came from one of the bigbox stores here locally, and I'm finding out the hard way that it pays to buy from a good, reputable nursery. Unfortunately, there's not one for many miles from here. I've bought some nice orchids online, so that's the route I'm gonna take next purchase. Anyway, at least 2/3 of my collection is rootless or almost rootless, so I'm having to start basically from scratch.

Back to the subject.....I haven't decided positively what to do about my grow room dilemma yet, but I'm getting some good ideas from all of you.
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Vicki try placing your orchids from the ones needing the highest light Catts ect. in the middle of the light where it is the brightest. You can see i have catts in sheath right now if you look closely. Place your lower light chids, Phals, Paphs ect around the perimeter of your area. Also the ends of the lights are not as intense and is a good place for lower light chids. I have some catt mounts just a few inches from the ends of the light and they do not burn. I know these lights seem scary bright but experiment with the placement of your orchids and hopefully you will love them as much as I do. Good luck!
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Hi Roland,
Thank you very much for all the good info and tips. There is one small vent in the room about 18" from the floor and a return on the wall about the same height as my orchid shelf. I've found out that is far from enough venting, though, so you've given me some good ideas to work with. I've been thinking today about what to do, and I thought about putting louvers in the door maybe.....ones that I can open and close. ?? Temporarily, though, I'm just keeping the door that goes into the garage partially open. I'm learning a little more about swamp coolers, and I don't think that would solve my problem, because of Alabama weather.

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You said that your room is 9X9X10' And the temp gets to 90 F. Do you have any way to vent the heat in the room such as vents up close to the ceiling? If not I would put at least 2 in one on each side of the room since heat rises. If you use fan vent with a thermostats you can control the temp of the whole room but you need to be able to cover them in the winter to keep the cold drafts out. Home Depot has such fans for around $72 each and the outside lovers that open when the fan starts blowing for around 35-50 each. In a closed room the heat will build up quickly and it needs to be vented once vented it should drop to around 75-80F around the plants. If you want to build a cheap swamp cooler and you already have a small fountain run it with a fan in front of it that should raise the humidity some also. Just using the fan and no venting you are just pushing the warm air around.
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Hi Ross,
Thanks so much for all the detailed info! Now that I know more about how swamp coolers work and the conditions they work best in, I've definitely decided not to go that route. I've been thinking about simply putting louvers in the door that goes from the grow room into the garage.....ones that I can open and close (for now, I'm just leaving the door open). Before Rodney and I started this project, it didn't cross my mind that the one small little vent (about 18" from the floor) would not be enough. I just wasn't thinking about that and, as I've said before, I didn't expect that the T5s heat output would be as much as it is, you know. As I've also said before...."you live, you learn".

Thanks for the picture....I like your growing setup. Where did you get those little fans on your walls? Let me know, if you don't mind. I had never thought about putting them there. Good idea.

Thanks again for your help,
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TE=Ross;156922]The secret with t5 lights (based on more than a year of concentrated experimentation and study) is to control the heat before it becomes a problem. What I mean is, the bulbs run at 95 degrees F. That's a part of the technology. On top of that you are adding heat to ambient room temps. The cooler the ambient temps are, the less affect the tubes have (even though they still emit light at 95 degrees F.)

With that background, there may be some options. In winter, the added heat can work to your advantage (even though you don't need much, you still need some.) In summer is when we need to cool the air or evacuate the heat. The reason I said fans is that's how I deal with the heat. But I chose a different method. An oscillating fan really doesn't do anything except stir up the air (temperature averaging ) which doesn't help with ambient temps in the 90s. Evacuating the warm air and replacing with cooler air is the goal.

This is my solution. Small fans directed at the fixture.

Now, how can we (you) do this? Kona gave you some great recommendations that should be considered strongly. I have my problem area in a basement and open the windows during the night to cool down the basement, run fans to direct the coolest air toward the tank (takes 4 small desk fans to do this) and shut down a couple during the day. If there is some way to evacuate the heat from the room (not spread it around) that will help. I'm thinking of supplies that hydroponics (and marijuana) growers need, because of the same problems with their hot lights.

Grow room and green house exhaust fans and filters at Sunburst Hydroponics

But you can only reduce temps around your orchids to outside ambient temps unless you cool the air somehow. Perhaps "swamp coolers" or even room air conditioning? Swamp coolers work best in dry climates like Arizona, not in humid areas like yours, so don't expect great cooling. Bringing in air from a cooler shaded area (outside) would work. Your goal shouldn't be 60 degrees when ambient temps are 90s. Not possible without mega airconditioning. Most plants we grow can tolerate up to the mid 80s with no problem. Even my Dracs tolerate this even though they prefer 60s. Hope this longish post gives you some things to ponder. Let us know how you decide to go. Lucky thing is, you're coming up to some cooler weather and the solution may be a ways off.

A last thought (thus the edit.) Even in warm climates like yours, evening temps tend to be a bit cooler. Can you rig up a system to cool the orchid room at night via fans (even big ones) and close this off during the day to eliminate the sun's warming?[/QUOTE]
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Thanks for the picture....I like your growing setup. Where did you get those little fans on your walls? Let me know, if you don't mind. I had never thought about putting them there. Good idea.
I got those bad boys at Wal Mart! I bought like 7 of them when they had them last spring. Noticed they only have the 7" version (still viable).

Here's a pic of the closeup the center label says Home Trends.
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Walmart, eh?! Hmmm.....gonna get me some tomorrow if they have them.
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I got those bad boys at Wal Mart! I bought like 7 of them when they had them last spring. Noticed they only have the 7" version (still viable).

Here's a pic of the closeup the center label says Home Trends.
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