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Old 03-16-2024, 11:59 PM
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Hello everyone,

I would like to order the Epc. Kyoguchi orchid, However, the seller give me 2 choices:

Epc. Kyoguchi x self is CAD18.

Epc. Kyoguchi 'Happy Field' HCC/AOS is CAD30

I'm not sure what's the difference between the two.

Could you guys give me a recommendation?
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Old 03-17-2024, 12:28 AM
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This is commonly sold as an Epicattleya because the parents were one time classified as an Epidendrum and a Cattleya. Cattleya aurantiaca was transferred by botanists into the genus Guarianthe. Epidendrum incumbens was transferred into Encyclia. So it's now considered Guaricyclia Kyoguchi. But many people still call it an Epicattleya.

The first plant you mentioned is a seedling. The second is a clone of one specific plant.

The seedling is the result of putting pollen from an unspecified Kyoguchi on the stigma of the same plant. That's what "x self" means. Because Kyoguchi is a primary hybrid, a cross between two different species, a selfing will lead to variable seedlings, with some looking more like one parent or the other, and some looking in between.

You can look up Gcy. (Epc.) Kyoguchi on Orchidroots.com and see its parents.

The clone is produced by taking a growth point from one particular clone of Kyoguchi. It will almost certainly lead to a plant that looks just like the parent.

So if you look up the 'Happy Field' clone of Kyoguchi and want exactly that, get the clone. If you're willing to take a chance, the seedling is less expensive, and there's a chance it will be better than 'Happy Field'.
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Thank you so much Estación Seca. You have taught me new thing today.

I'll get the clone one.
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