Is it too late to repot these Catasetums ?

[SouthPark]

Originally Posted by Keysguy

Fred Clarke once told me to never re-pot or water a catasetinae until the roots on the new growth were AT LEAST 1' long.
Maybe I mis-heard him but that's the way I've done it for years and have had very good success.

keysguy ----- I don't think that you mis-heard him. He very likely said that.

The only thing is - enough growers (eg. me, and you and others) will find that - as long as the catasetum is provided conditions such as good temperature range, good lighting level, adequate water (not over water or under water etc) and adequately aerated roots (for getting oxygen into them), then nothing bad is going to happen to the catasetum.

I've seen this for myself. Other people 'can' also see for themselves.

There has been a spreading of information (likely mis-information) about watering emerging roots too 'early' for catasetum coming out of true dormancy. To understand that it is most likely mis-information ----- all one needs to do is to test the mis-information, by simply doing some hands-on and seeing for themselves.

As most of us here are - being 'hands-on' people. It is ok to go ahead to test various pieces of mis-information ..... especially when there are signs of other growers mentioning that they saw no issues when they tried it out for themselves (for one reason or another).

Importantly - it is important for myself to never insult or offend somebody that was merely trying to help others (as in not offend or insult those people passing around the wrong information), even if the wrong information had been given out. So none of the observations or comments I made were ever meant to create issues for growers.

As long as everybody learns something from sharing of real experience, then that's fine. It's all for the benefit of orchid growers and orchids themselves.

I (like maybe all of us) have a massively high regard for Fred Clarke. He's a legend for providing us a pretty much black coloured orchid that also looks amazing - plus his other incredible work in the catasetum (and other) areas.

[isurus79]

Originally Posted by SouthPark

keysguy ----- I don't think that you mis-heard him. He very likely said that.

The only thing is - enough growers (eg. me, and you and others) will find that - as long as the catasetum is provided conditions such as good temperature range, good lighting level, adequate water (not over water or under water etc) and adequately aerated roots (for getting oxygen into them), then nothing bad is going to happen to the catasetum.

I've seen this for myself. Other people 'can' also see for themselves.

There has been a spreading of information (likely mis-information) about watering emerging roots too 'early' for catasetum coming out of true dormancy. To understand that it is most likely mis-information ----- all one needs to do is to test the mis-information, by simply doing some hands-on and seeing for themselves.

As most of us here are - being 'hands-on' people. It is ok to go ahead to test various pieces of mis-information ..... especially when there are signs of other growers mentioning that they saw no issues when they tried it out for themselves (for one reason or another).

Importantly - it is important for myself to never insult or offend somebody that was merely trying to help others (as in not offend or insult those people passing around the wrong information), even if the wrong information had been given out. So none of the observations or comments I made were ever meant to create issues for growers.

As long as everybody learns something from sharing of real experience, then that's fine. It's all for the benefit of orchid growers and orchids themselves.

I (like maybe all of us) have a massively high regard for Fred Clarke. He's a legend for providing us a pretty much black coloured orchid that also looks amazing - plus his other incredible work in the catasetum (and other) areas.

Oh, the irony of you talking about misinformation. Absolutely amazing.

[SouthPark]

Originally Posted by isurus79

Oh, the irony of you talking about misinformation. Absolutely amazing.

It's a surprise - in that I would have expected that you would be the type of person that would follow-up with at least some testing - to see for yourself whether YOU are right or wrong. This is regarding 'early watering'.

[isurus79]

Originally Posted by SouthPark

It's a surprise - in that I would have expected that you would be the type of person that would follow-up with at least some testing - to see for yourself whether YOU are right or wrong. This is regarding 'early watering'.

The experience I’ve gained over nearly two decades of this group includes watering during dormancy, which is less of a problem than watering during early root growth. The results are generally dead plants or plants that need a year or two to recover. My knowledge comes from experience, which after two years of growing this group, you lack. You also lack the experience to challenge Fred Clarke’s advice, which regularly do. You also lack the experience to start throwing around the word “misinformation,” especially when calling out Fred’s advice as wrong.

Can you water a bit during dormancy? Sure. But you don’t need to. And your temps must be above 55F to do so. Also, complex hybrids and some of the Catasetums species are much more forgiving than most of the Mormodes, Cycnoches, and tricky Catasetums. Hell, I even made a whole video about not following the “traditional” rules for watering the group (see link below). However, those “rules” (guidelines, whatever you want to call them) are hard earned and come from a place of experience. They are a tried and true recipe for success. So please don’t go around using rhetoric like misinformation when pointing to experienced growers as you are in the early years of gathering knowledge for yourself. You’ve consistently said things that show a lack of understanding about the biology of this group and seem to show no interest in learning.

Advanced Catasetinae Growing Techniques - YouTube

[SouthPark]

Originally Posted by isurus79

The experience I’ve gained over nearly two decades of this group includes watering during dormancy, which is less of a problem than watering during early root growth. The results are generally dead plants or plants that need a year or two to recover. My knowledge comes from experience, which after two years of growing this group, you lack.

I call nonsense on your part isurus79.

What I've learned in my two years of catasetum growing, and what growers here have seen and experienced (ie. no negative impacts) - all goes toward supporting what I've seen in my testing. Not 'I' .... 'we'. Supports what we've seen (but not you though).

To me - it is you that lacks the experience. I can see that our 2 years experience surpasses your so-called twenty years.

Furthermore, I absolutely do not believe that you had done those tests/experiments.

My interest is in learning, and to acquire more knowledge from actual hands-on testing. Once again - we have forum members here that have seen no negative impact with watering new roots of catasetum coming out of true dormancy.

[isurus79]

Originally Posted by SouthPark

To me - it is you that lacks the experience. I can see that our 2 years experience certainly beats your so-called twenty years.

And there we have it. Glad you finally admitted how you feel and you’ve alluded to in your posts. I hope everyone asking about Catasetums rememberers this post.

[SouthPark]

Originally Posted by isurus79

And there we have it. Glad you finally admitted how you feel and you’ve alluded to in your posts. I hope everyone asking about Catasetums rememberers this post.

I will say right now - and right here - that you're wrong about the 'early watering' situation. Referring to Click Here.

I've re-worded (refined) what I had previously typed to:

Originally Posted by SouthPark

I can see that our 2 years experience surpasses your so-called twenty years.

The meaning is - over a span of 2 years (which is still rather significant) - we managed to find out something significant that you failed to find out - because you didn't do the important testing that we had done.

The tone I used here is merely to let you know - to avoid using your 'you lack experience' tactic in discussions ..... particularly when you appear to lack certain knowledge yourself about the topic of discussion. That is ... you cannot even explain the results reported by us other members.

So avoid mocking my words unless you can explain our results. On second thoughts - you should avoid mocking ANY forum member in ANY case.