Naming a Hybrid? - Orchid Board

Cattleya17 · #1 02-28-2013, 10:11 AM

Hello! I was wondering how excatly do you go about naming a hybrid? I got this hybrid that is unnamed from a vendor and it is absolutly stunning!!!!

I'ts a gigantea hybrid from Bigleaf and I have come up with a great name for it due to its color! Do I have the right to do so and if I do how do I do it?

The plants came from a batch and each one flowers differently he posted a pic of this hybrid on his facebook page & ours are quite different IMO I think the one I got is a winner I mean come on you can't lose buying plants from peter!!! I will be posting pics of it soon here when the flower finishes opening

orchidsarefun · #2 02-28-2013, 12:19 PM

best thing to do is ask Peter. He may already have submitted a name to the RHS. You can't name a hybrid without permission from the breeder.

You can also discuss the cultivar name with him. I don't think anyone would have a problem - example as follows

Phal Big Gig - cultivar "Joe Shmoe"

Cattleya17 · #3 02-28-2013, 12:46 PM

That's good to know. I would never want to do something like that! I' ask about the cultivar name that's the part I think I was interested in naming the flower is this deep red so I was thinking its name could be 'raspberry jam'. That's exactly what it looks like to me lol

Gage · #4 02-28-2013, 01:24 PM

You can name your plant whatever cultivar name you want. It is your plant so it is your right to name it. If you submit it for an award from an organization such as the AOS, then you can register the cultivar name. The hybrid naming/registering, as has been stated, is the right of the breeder.

goodgollymissmolly · #5 02-28-2013, 04:06 PM

Gage that is not what he is asking. He wants to name the Grex (hybrid name).

If it is not named, you can register it with the originators permission. If it is a primary hybrid you must submit a photo of the flower so obviously you must bloom it first.

So..go to Peter and ask of he knows the originator. Either you or Peter can contact the originator for permission. When you have that, just fill out the registration form (it's on line at RHS), fax or e-mail a jpeg to RHS indicating that you have permission and a picture if required. Last I did one it was $16.50 US which you can pay with a credit card.

It's actually fairly simple once you get the originators permission.

FairyInTheFlowers · #6 02-28-2013, 05:21 PM

Mostly whatever Peter has is either something he has bred himself or something he has bought from Taiwan. If it is his hybrid that he himself has bred, I highly doubt that he will let anyone name it, as he will most likely get around to naming it himself once he or a customer blooms it and provides him with an image. If it's unnamed from Taiwan, I also doubt you will be given the rights to name it. I'm going to take a guess that you are talking about gigantea x LD's Bear Queen, which is from Taiwan, and probably Yaphon, which means chances of you getting permission to name it are even lower. Also, from what I have heard, regardless of the parents, species or hybrid, I'm sure you must include a picture of one of the crosses blooms when you are registering it. As someone who is beginning to breed Phals, even though it costs me, I would never give away the rights to naming a hybrid that I bred.

Rowangreen · #7 02-28-2013, 05:24 PM

If you think the name suits your individual plant, not all the plants from the same cross, then you might be better using it as a cultivar/clone name? In that case it's up to you. I don't think clone names are recorded/registered unless the plant wins an award. So you plant would then be Phal Whatever 'Raspberry Jam'. The 'whatever' is what is registered on RHS, and once it's registered it applies to all plants of the same cross.

Cattleya17 · #8 02-28-2013, 05:47 PM

Thanks guys. Yeah I don't want to name the whole name of the plant I would never let anyone do that either if I bred something either! And you are right it is the gigantea x LD's bear queen. Mine is blooming now an it's flower is quite wonderful!

The clonal name is what I was looking at. what ever Peter named it phal. so and so 'raspberry jam' I would never dream of trying to name it in its entirety. Not my intention.

When people purchase plants from a batch of a crossing they will not all look the same and one or two of the batch or more are Bound to be fantastic so if I understand correctly the breeder names the whole shebang and another person would use that name and then they have the right to add their clonal name when it gets awarded? Or even if it does not get awarded they can write that name down on their tags call it what they want?

goodgollymissmolly · #9 02-28-2013, 05:52 PM

Think as you wish. I actually registered a Taiwanese cross that Peter sold me. He contacted the hybridizer for me to get the permission. I had to register it (or someone did) so I could complete the process of an award I received on the hybrid. There was no difficulty at all. I actually did all that and received verification of the registration within 10 days of the award date. It's simple and if the originator refuses permission for you to register the hybrid, you can indicate that you tried to get permission and were refused and complete the process without the permission.

You can submit a photo of any registration, but only registrations of primary hybrids require a photo.

Please let's not argue about facts.

FairyInTheFlowers · #10 02-28-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by goodgollymissmolly

Think as you wish. I actually registered a Taiwanese cross that Peter sold me. He contacted the hybridizer for me to get the permission. I had to register it (or someone did) so I could complete the process of an award I received on the hybrid. There was no difficulty at all. I actually did all that and received verification of the registration within 10 days of the award date. It's simple and if the originator refuses permission for you to register the hybrid, you can indicate that you tried to get permission and were refused and complete the process without the permission.

You can submit a photo of any registration, but only registrations of primary hybrids require a photo.

Please let's not argue about facts.

In the case that you received an award makes more sense in them letting you register it. However, just asking to be able to register it because you happened to bloom one is ridiculous. However, regardless of it being fact, I find it utterly absurd that a breeder has no choice but to register a cross immediately or lose the rights to register it just because some stranger received an award for one.