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Old 12-07-2011, 05:05 PM
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I find it absolutely REVOLTING that some countries still allow wild collection of plants. Orchids do not multiply and grow all that quickly, so even by collecting only abundant species, one day they won't be so abundant.
Camille,

How do you feel toward the countries who bulldoze and burn thousands of acres of orchid habitat to produce farmland for growing crops and refuse to let native collectors collect and save the plants for preservation within their own country? Most of the habitat where orchids are found is very shallow in soil so farmland may last less than 10 years before it either washes away from the rock base or is totally depleted of nutrients.

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Old 12-07-2011, 06:18 PM
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I think it went too extreme, Collection should be on a case by case basis. When I was riding a bicycle in the countryside of Jamaica there were Bromeliads on every electricity cable. Probably some plants are weeds in some environments. Some orchids are invasive too.

Collecting a small sample if there is a big healthy area should be ok. especially from a fallen tree. Picking up some backbulb that would probably dry out and dissecate but could be nrsed into sprouting new growth could be ok. Everything is just so black and white.
I wonder if the natives in some South Asian markets that sell wild collected orchids, take the all the growths from a tree or just a few pieces and let the orchid grow new leads...
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:05 PM
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I think it went too extreme, Collection should be on a case by case basis. When I was riding a bicycle in the countryside of Jamaica there were Bromeliads on every electricity cable. Probably some plants are weeds in some environments. Some orchids are invasive too.

Collecting a small sample if there is a big healthy area should be ok. especially from a fallen tree. Picking up some backbulb that would probably dry out and dissecate but could be nrsed into sprouting new growth could be ok. Everything is just so black and white.
I wonder if the natives in some South Asian markets that sell wild collected orchids, take the all the growths from a tree or just a few pieces and let the orchid grow new leads...
NO. The idiots shave the tree with zero future plans.
I do too. I take the pups and cultivate them here and take the back bulbs and get them put very high in the trees.I sterilize a scalpel with KMN04 so it should live.They do.
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:11 PM
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NO. The idiots shave the tree with zero future plans.
I do too. I take the pups and cultivate them here and take the back bulbs and get them put very high in the trees.I sterilize a scalpel with KMN04 so it should live.They do.
Poverty=greed and Greed=taking advantage of the impoverished.
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I know for a fact that Indonesia has a conservation program for their native orchids created by their botanical gardens. There are a lot of issues associated with their lack of efficiency, however. One of them is that the botanical gardens are small. They have relatively little support. Poverty is rampant in the country, and orchid conservation is not top priority. The country is run differently in that bribery is not regulated like it is here in the United States, so anyone who has a desire to mow down a forest can do so if the price is right.

Some of those "idiots" don't have future plans, because they live moment to moment, and are not necessarily highly educated in formal institutions like most people in Europe and the US (for example). Schooling can cost money from the very get-go. At least from what I understand in Indo, the government doesn't necessarily set up a whole lot of public schools. You wanna send your little child to school, you gotta pay for it.

Of these "idiots" who are highly educated in a westernized educational institution, again, orchid conservation is not top priority.

This is a very complex situation, not a whole lot of things are "black and white".

It is a sad situation when I mentioned the forests of Sulawesi to one of my cousins and all he could do is laugh and imply that those forests are being mowed down so fast that will one day it may not be there anymore. What he literally did say was that a large proportion of those forests are gone.

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On the other hand, over collection is also a problem. Some people make orchid collection as part of their living because of poverty and a lack of sufficient education.

If you notice, some of these people are farmers...

They have other "side interests" too. For example, some Chinese farmers not only deal in farming, but can also have their hands in orchid collecting and fossil hunting. Both can be lucrative side businesses in their own right.

But again, this is kind of an over simplified look into their lives, I'm sure there are many different variations and issues under the sun as there are stars in the sky.

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Forgot to mention...

Back to the topic of Indonesia...

Some of the botanical gardens have wised up and have looked to the monetary support of tourists/tourism and private orchid collectors. They don't count on the government (who probably couldn't give a spit about orchid conservation).

To my knowledge, however, there still hasn't been a collaborative conservation effort between hobbyists/collectors and botanical gardens in Indo.

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In regards to other Southeastern Asian countries...

Vietnam and Thailand are fast becoming one of the world's largest producers of orchids via in-vitro methods.


As far as the far eastern Asian countries are concerned...

There are also efforts from Holger Perner in China in the production of native Chinese Cypripediums and Cymbidiums via in-vitro methods.

For those interested in growing native Chinese Cypripediums from a reputable source in China, please support Dr. Holger Perner and his wife. His operation is called Hengduan Mountains Biotechnology Ltd. He and his wife had just recently made their first trip to the US selling native Chinese Cypripediums, Paphiopedilums, and Cymbidiums here in one of the Santa Barbara orchid shows.

Perner can also provide seed sowing services of native Chinese Cymbidiums, Paphiopedilums, and Cymbidiums upon request. He does sell his own flasking media as well.
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I think orchids are a marginal problem.
When I went on vacation to Iceland in the 90s there were no trees. Birds nest on the ground in the small shrubs. I was told that all the trees had been cut off for construction and to build boats back in the 1800s. I met some students from Norway that were there to plant trees for a summer program. Wind and erosion I was told were a big issue in Iceland.

A couple of years ago I went to Jacmel Haiti. THere was a lot of poverty and no electricity for the most part. The poorer people which are a majority of teh population use charcoal for cooking food, Trees get cut at a high rate. There is a deforestation problem. The lack of trees causes landslides and floods during hurricane season. But the poor have no other way to cook their food. They need trees but they are cutting off too many trees.

If you are starving your own short term survival is more important than long term plans.

So conservation of orchids is not as pressing as human survival or solving hunger for the moment.

Probably 5/6/7 billion humans that survive against all odds are too many for the planet. But who wants to stop procreating to solve the issue?
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