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Old 11-16-2014, 07:31 PM
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Good points, Ray. Thanks for your insights.

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Old 01-15-2015, 03:31 PM
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This is quite an interesting subject.There will always be yea and nay sayers for everything, but as long as we all stay polite, hopefully from debate, consensus and learning will result.
The interest in worm tea and so on isn't to do with the basic nutrients. Commercial fertilisers do that way better. What is interesting is the tag alongs, the congeners, if you like. Congeners are what turn boring vodka into whiskey or rum.
Worm teas and other brews contain additional nutrients, and also a whole slew of fungi and microorganisms. The basic science seems to be that if you try and keep a sterile environment for plants, not only will they be lacking, but the harmful bugs will gain ascendance.
Here's a couple of interesting references to brewing various cultures.
Making your own Plant Probiotic Brew | Rollitup
probiotic brewing
So who here is growing in true organic living soil? | Rollitup
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There's also lots of pages on compost tea. The probiotic brews get round the risk of virus transmission, but even if you don't like the idea of compost tea near orchids, it is very good for plants in pots.
Ultimate Compost Tea Recipe For Boosting Plant Growth compost tea
How to Make Compost Tea C. tea made easy
Beginner's guide to AACT/Compost Tea - Growing Hot Peppers - The Hot Pepper
Ultimate Compost Tea Recipe For Boosting Plant Growth

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In one of the links I added, one of the people gets quite narky about commercial brews, and waxes lyrical on the joys of cultivating local strains of fungi and bacteria, suggesting that the ones you get for free in the area are best suited to living where you are.
He makes cultures from soil samples especially samples taken from forests and woodland, as these have the widest range of fungi.
What I learned when I was in the UK that bad fungi can be displaced and eliminated by overwhelming them with competition. Honey fungus was a tree killer, and we had an outbreak. Normally the reponse was to remove all potential fungi food from the area. However, once there that did nothing against the honey fungus. I happened to read about the idea of competition controlling it, and we mulched with shredded garden waste of every type 6 inches deep all over. The honey fungus just gave up and never came back.
One experiment to cultivate fungi. on a programme someone was illustrating the worth of putting cardboard into compost heaps. He put corrugated cardboard into a container with drain holes, and peed on it every day. The local fungal spores germinated, and helped by the nitrogen, turned the cardboard into a mass of fungal hyphae.
I'd quite like to try mixing bark chunks with some paper machee and then giving it some nitrogen to get it going. Then, when some orchids need repotting, I'd like to include some of the fungal innoculated bark chunks into the mix and see how they do. Normal plants depend heavily on a sybbiotic relationship with fungi and bacteria, and there are suggestions that this is far more complex than we thought.
If you google probiotics for plants, a lot of the references will be from Marijuanna boards. Those people take soil health VERY seriously.
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Old 01-15-2015, 05:00 PM
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Thanks so much for the links and for your very interesting experience with the honey fungus.

Lots of info to explore and consider.

Happy New Year, everyone!
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Old 01-15-2015, 06:06 PM
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Thanks so much for the links and for your very interesting experience with the honey fungus.

Lots of info to explore and consider.

Happy New Year, everyone!
Well, I would appreciate some others studying this and putting in their contributions.
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:39 PM
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Just a quick note. Milorganite is not actually dried sewage sludge. Microbes digest the nasty stuff and then are dried, creating Milorganite. It is actually a great system that allows people to send organic materials through their in-sink disposal systems and into the wastewater treatment system. From there, these materials, instead of being wasted, are turned into fertilizer and energy. They are diverted from area landfills where they would take up space and generate methane. Also, Milorganite does not contain a ton of lead. Just google Milorganite and head to their webpage where you can find detailed information about the fertilizer's contents.
Just saw this post and one from many years ago regarding Milorganite. You are partially correct in that Milorganite does not contain high levels of lead or other metals. EPA classifies it as an Exceptional Quality (EQ) sewage sludge, meaning it is low metals, low pathogens and safe for the general public to use. I've used it on the lawn, vegetable garden and as a sort of "Milorganite tea" on orchids, to provide trace elements. However, it is still considered sewage sludge by EPA; personally, I'm totally OK with that.
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Old 01-16-2015, 02:53 AM
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I have a worm farm. It's fun to do. The water is a fertilizer but I don't think it will make a good standard fertilizer. It's a concentrated fluid, it's organic and I think that's interesting. However, it also contains quite high amouts of alkalines.

I think it is interesting to consider if you also like the idea to keep a worm farm... (the kitchen is the best location )
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:28 PM
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My worm bin is in my kitchen, too, Atalah. I think this is my fifth year managing the bin. Those little kids gobble up most of my kitchen scraps. No smell. No fruit flies or any other problems. Great pets and you don't have to take them for a walk! LOL
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:01 PM
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Worms in the kitchen? I need to see this.
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Old 01-17-2015, 03:57 PM
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Well, in a plastic tub under the kitchen counter. It has ventilation holes in the sides and a few weep holes in the bottom, so liquids can seep out. It sits in a shallow bin, so the liquids can be siphoned off, from time to time. Counter-intuitively, a worm bin should be in an area that does get some light...not in a closet. The worms move downward and away from light. So, having them in the kitchen encourages them to stay snug and happy in their material and not move up to the surface (or up and over the sides of the tub) looking for a new home. I've always kept a nightlight on in the kitchen, which is good for them and for me. I freeze my kitchen scraps, chopped banana peels, etc. for a few days to eliminate any fruit fly eggs or any other buggies, then defrost the material and add it to the shredded newspaper bedding. Keep the mix a little damp and Voila! Worm bin happiness. LOL

Really, it's pretty easy and the little guys process a lot of material. And it's fun. And, you get lovely vermicompost.
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Old 02-18-2015, 07:36 PM
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Would worm tea be ok for phals, and how often to use it.
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