Hybrid parentage order influence on hybrid naming

[wogx]

Some time ago I've spotted a Rlc. "Terepaima" on a vendor's list. I always thought that a "Terepaima" is a Cattleya maxima × Rhyncholaelia digbyana cross. But it wasn't that case, it was a Rhyncholaelia digbyana x Cattleya maxima var. rubra. Was it correct, or someone wanted to increase their sales by using a well-known name? Should we differentiate an A x B cross from B x variety of A? Wouldn't it be ideal to track a cross deeper, using exact names of used cultivars (e.g. Cattleya rex 'Inti' x Cattleya maxima 'Chadwick's Dark')?

[Louis_W]

If one or more of the parents are a unique variety they usually do list both in parenthesis after the grex name. Then once the cross receives its own variety name you can forever track that specific plants heritage.

A lot of crosses are made every year, and you kinda have to wait for them to bloom out to see 1. If they are special enough to bother making more of and 2. what traits they have that inspire a new cultivar name.

Let's say your cross between C. rex 'inti' x C. maxima 'Chadwick's Dark' turns out to be something unique and special. The first person to bloom the plant may give it a variety name (especially if they get it awarded).

Hypothetically lets say it's the same shape as the usual cross but it's darker and more red. You can get it registered with a new variety name 'Red Dawn' (inti means sun). Now any time so.eone buys a clone or division of your plant they will be able to track the parentage.

[stonedragonfarms]

[QUOTE=Let's say your cross between C. rex 'inti' x C. maxima 'Chadwick's Dark' turns out to be something unique and special. The first person to bloom the plant may give it a variety name (especially if they get it awarded).

Hypothetically lets say it's the same shape as the usual cross but it's darker and more red. You can get it registered with a new variety name 'Red Dawn' (inti means sun). Now any time someone buys a clone or division of your plant they will be able to track the parentage.[/QUOTE]

I'm confused by this answer; the original question was whether Rlc. Terepaima (Cattleya maxima × Rhyncholaelia digbyana) & Rlc. Terepaima (Rhyncholaelia digbyana x Cattleya maxima var. rubra) should bear the same hybrid name--even though the second plant is a reciprocal cross & was made using a varietal species parent. The answer to that question is yes; while it is helpful [for breeding purposes, provenance, etc.] and common practice to indicate when a varietal form of a parent is used in breeding, if the plant is already registered, this 'new' cross will default to the prior hybrid registration name.
As to the hypothetical plant Cat. (rex 'Inti' x maxima 'Chadwick's Dark'); the hybrid of Cat. rex x Cat. maxima is already registered; it's Cat. Boniplant Elena Yamamoto. If you remade the hybrid using the parents indicated, it would still bear the original registered hybrid name; should you bloom it out and get it awarded [barring a CCM], you could then grant the plant a clonal name which would be registered; ie Cat. Boniplant Elena Yamamoto 'Akai'.
As the owner or breeder of a plant, you could also assign it your own clonal name--which is very common in the Phal breeding world; but these clonal monikers, since they are not registered, do not carry from plant to plant for judging or registration purposes.

[estación seca]

As mentioned, the same grex name is used whether the parents are A x B or B x A. Variety of parents isn't taken into consideration. Yes, progeny may vary depending on which is the pod parent.

[itzi]

Great point ES, which makes me want to ask a question thats been in the back of my mind. What of two plants that consist of the same ancestry % wise but through different parents? I'll try to elaborate.

Lets say we have three species: Cattleya a, Cattleya b, and Cattleya c.

1. Cattleya ab and Cattleya bc are produced, and hybridized, creating Cattleya abbc¹
2. Cattleya ac is produced, and bred with Cattleya b, producing Cattleya abc
3. Cattleya abc is then bred again with Cattleya b, producing Cattleya abbc²

Would those two resulting plants, although coming from parents that are all genetically distinct from eachother, genetically the same plant? This might seem a little absurd, but I've seen a lot of re-breeding done of Clowesia rosea and Clowesia warczewitzii with their hybrid progeny and have wondered if this has happened before.