Water with plain water first before fertilizing?

[SouthPark]

Originally Posted by WaterWitchin

No, SouthPark, Knowledgeable folks are higher up the food chain. You have no right to put yourself in that group!

Ok !!! Thanks for keeping me grounded WW hahaha. I'm coming back down to your level now hehehe

[Clawhammer]

We have to remember when we post that we all grow in different growing environments and all orchid advice must be viewed through that lens but the single universal truth is that Fox News sucks.

[isurus79]

Originally Posted by Ray

A couple of comments.

Stephen - concerning your query about blocking individuals, be aware that the subject individual has joined the Orchid Board several times under several different user names. His IP address was blocked each time, but he uses IP spoofing to get a "new" IP identity and joins again. In a way, I feel sorry for anyone with such a mental complex.

Yes, I’ve heard this as well. However, playing a game of crazy whack-a-mole is certainly preferable than having to deal with shade and his bizarre rants and misinformation.

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Originally Posted by Clawhammer

which I test using fish tank nitrogen test kit.

Ohhh, now that's an interesting way to do it!

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Originally Posted by WaterWitchin

My comment was not directed specifically at Steve. It was directed at his comments toward moderators and intended that anyone could comment. Which you've done. It was addressed in this thread, and I responded in this thread. And if we want to continue this conversation, I'm fine with it, but will move the various comments to a new thread, as we're way off topic starting with the moderators comment.

No, but I'm genuinely interested in knowing how many threads are shut down because of shadeflower. His hostility follows a very distinct pattern. Someone says something that he doesn't like, he makes wild assertions and goes into attack mode, then the person he attacks defends themselves. The mods shut down the thread and nothing is done to address shade's unrelenting hostility. Or at least it doesn't appear that anything is being done about the hostility.

And to your point about not being moderators of misinformation, I understand that. However, when the non-mods point out the misinformation, suddenly shade reacts and the thread is shut down. Therefore, the idea that we simply ignore shade's misinformation means that we allow it to go unaddressed and suddenly OB loses its status as a place of growing information and it becomes the "Fox News" of orchids.

So what do we do?

[SouthPark]

You just have to watch isurus79 ----- because, as we know ----- he has a tendency/habit to launch an offensive on some people that he has a disagreement with.

Basically conjures up fake news about somebody - in order to make people or mods etc side up with him --- in order for them to conveniently get things done for him, and to make whoever he doesn't like look bad. Eg. LINK.

I have absolutely no issue with CH ----- as I mis-interpreted something from him in old threads. That was mis-understanding only.

[K-Sci]

Originally Posted by WaterWitchin

PS Notice how KSci (the original poster) and Clawhammer and now Roberta have ignored all the extraneous BS and just continued on topic with the conversation? It's another way to deal with a social media board.

I start these controversial threads because the resulting train wrecks are such good entertainment .

-Keith

[Mr.Fakename]

C'mon guys, show some Xmas/Hanukkah/wathever spirit and chill a bit!

Originally Posted by Shadeflower

Otherwise you would know how much I believe in bloom boosters. Saying bloom boosters are a relic of the past is pretty much like saying kelmax is a relic of the past.

Wait wait hold on a minute. The people that make kelpmax are using an outdated relic of a formula? Yes because just like we have been breathing air for decades, plants have been absorbing potassium and phosphorous. potassium and phosphorous are what most root booster products are made of hence kelpmax too!

So are root boosters all a sham? No they are the same as bloom boosters.
And what is contained in 99% of all fertilizers.

So that statement is just really misleading, if you meant excessive use of bloom boosters are outdated belief, ie are even detrimental to use in excess, then I completely agree but to dismiss bloom boosters entirely is not right either.

Root boosters and bloom boosters serve no purpose in most cases; they are a sham and are designed to make you spend your money.

The NPK analysis of root boosters is basically useless, what matter are enzymes and hormones that initiate root growth.

Bloom boosters can be useful in some instances, but it's not so much about P and K as is it about drastic N reduction.
When a plant gets less nitrogen content, it will shift from "leaf growth as fast as possible" mode to "fruiting" mode.

Those shifts are important for annual crops with no energy storing organs, to get the best yield before cold season kicks in. You want the plants to grow as fast as possible at the beginning of the season, and when they have the desired size, forcing them to stop growing and actually set fruit can be vital.

However, plants still need nitrogen to function, so unless you grow in soil, and your soil happens to be super healthy and loaded with nutrients, a fert with 0 N is plain stupid.

However n°2, orchids are not annual crops that need to grow very fast to set fruit and get their seeds out there, so I don't think there is a reason to use bloom boosters on them.

If you get good results with those boosters, I'd say it's more likely to come from appropriate care and all the supplements combined (and the fact that orchids are VERY good at storing and recycling nutrients), rather than a single magic product.

[isurus79]

Originally Posted by K-Sci

I start these controversial threads because the resulting train wrecks are such good entertainment .

-Keith

[Dusty Ol' Man]

Originally Posted by SouthPark

Ok !!! Thanks for keeping me grounded WW hahaha. I'm coming back down to your level now hehehe

[Dusty Ol' Man]

Originally Posted by K-Sci

I start these controversial threads because the resulting train wrecks are such good entertainment .

-Keith